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Running conduit in very shallow screed

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Hi,


I am preparing the kitchen in my flat for a rewire and need to run cables for 2 x ovens plus dishwasher, washing machine, fridge freezer etc. 


The flat has solid ceilings and   floors and CU is on opposite side of the flat from the kitchen so running cable is a challenge. When we rewire the rest of the electrics, the sockets and lights are likely to go either behind coving or chased into plaster, but this is not really feasible for the kitchen cables. 


I’m thinking my best option is to go through the floors. I recently dug a massive chase for a gas pipe (which in retrospect should have been made bigger and I could have run the cables through that). In doing so I discovered that the screed is only 30mm thick and delaminates from the underlying concrete really easily with a good whack from an SDS. The concrete is obviously MUCH harder work to get through (a few days work with a heavy duty saw plus annoying the neighbours and filling the flat with dust). So what I want to do is cut the screed with a grinder to 30mm deep to make a channel and run the cable in that. 


I’ve got a couple of ideas of how to do this but not sure what is permitted - is it ok to run cable at such a shallow depth? - or what would be best. 


Option 1 - SWA cable laid straight in the channel and mortared over. Obviously will never be coming out so difficult to replace without pulling the floors up but the easiest to install. 


Option 2 - 20mm high impact pvc conduit with 3 x singles in each run. I’m assuming that because there will be 4 x 90degree bends in the route that these cables will also be impossible to remove once installed but will at least be protected by the conduit from damage while the mortar is applied/sets. I’m also assuming that even at a very shallow depth this conduit will be ok to walk over once set in mortar with flooring over the top. 


Option 3 - something completely different. 


Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I do want to make clear I’m not actually planning on doing the wiring work, I just want to get cables in situ for an electrician to be able to work with at a future date. I just want to do this bit ahead to avoid digging up the floor again at a later date. 


Thanks,


Patrick
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    Cornice trunking was what I had imagined would be used for sockets and lighting. 


    The problem with doing this for all cables is the flat is essentially split in two by a hallway and (tiled) bathroom that run down the middle, with two bedrooms on side where CU is currently and kitchen and front room on the other side. So essentially I need to get a lot of cabling to the other side of the flat, far more than would probably fit in coving, and also coving would be best avoided in bathroom and hallway because the doors have glass panels above them to the ceiling which means the coving needs to terminate at each doorway. So my idea was to have lighting and socket circuit for one side of flat, and then another lighting and socket circuit on the other side from the cable/cables that I can route to that side of building. 


    This is what was leading me to thinking about taking the cables through the floors. Chasing around the tops of rooms is doable and is my last resort, but best avoided in this instance I think as the route that needs chasing out is always cut off by the glass door tops except for the back wall of the bathroom which is tiled and would require ripping the tiles down. 


    You’re right about the depth being an issue for carpet grips etc, which is why I posted the question in the first place to see what best practice is for this sort of situation. While I’m living here there won’t be any carpets or thresholds as the floor is going to be one unified wood floor throughout but obviously could be a problem if I ever move. Although obviously if there were cables in the floors I’d leave a diagram showing exactly where they are to next occupier. 


    Thanks for all the replies, they’ve given me a lot of pause for thought, particularly regarding expansion, sub mains etc which I hadn’t even considered. 


    Next step I’m going to try and plan the whole thing out with an electrician, but this has given me a lot of ideas to discuss as to what might be possible.
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    Cornice trunking was what I had imagined would be used for sockets and lighting. 


    The problem with doing this for all cables is the flat is essentially split in two by a hallway and (tiled) bathroom that run down the middle, with two bedrooms on side where CU is currently and kitchen and front room on the other side. So essentially I need to get a lot of cabling to the other side of the flat, far more than would probably fit in coving, and also coving would be best avoided in bathroom and hallway because the doors have glass panels above them to the ceiling which means the coving needs to terminate at each doorway. So my idea was to have lighting and socket circuit for one side of flat, and then another lighting and socket circuit on the other side from the cable/cables that I can route to that side of building. 


    This is what was leading me to thinking about taking the cables through the floors. Chasing around the tops of rooms is doable and is my last resort, but best avoided in this instance I think as the route that needs chasing out is always cut off by the glass door tops except for the back wall of the bathroom which is tiled and would require ripping the tiles down. 


    You’re right about the depth being an issue for carpet grips etc, which is why I posted the question in the first place to see what best practice is for this sort of situation. While I’m living here there won’t be any carpets or thresholds as the floor is going to be one unified wood floor throughout but obviously could be a problem if I ever move. Although obviously if there were cables in the floors I’d leave a diagram showing exactly where they are to next occupier. 


    Thanks for all the replies, they’ve given me a lot of pause for thought, particularly regarding expansion, sub mains etc which I hadn’t even considered. 


    Next step I’m going to try and plan the whole thing out with an electrician, but this has given me a lot of ideas to discuss as to what might be possible.
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