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Table 41.1 Assumed Touch Voltage

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I am a bit confused by this. Why do the disconnection times in Table 41.1 appear to be based on a touch voltage of 100 volts rather than a touch voltage of 125 volts?


For example, 110% of 230=  253 volts. Assuming L and PE are of the same size and material, indirect contact touch voltage is 126.5 volts. Would 0.33 seconds not appear more realistic?  


From IEC 61200-413


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  • A very similar curve is in the older editions too. However the pinhole breakdown mechanism is thermal, and takes a some tens of milliseconds to occur - by then an instant RCD should be thinking about de-latching, if it has not already done so, I'd be nervous about relying on anything with a much longer disconnection time. Note that this hot spotting seems to be a feature of smaller contact areas only.

    I agree the figures need to be taken with a pinch of salt, or perhaps not, if your hands are wet ?.

    Also it is not clear which body parts this relates to,  and skin thickness varies quite a bit, palms of hands can be over 1mm to 1.5mm thick, while more delicate bits are less than half  mm  (ref)

    Mike.


    Curve 3 is the square cm or so of contact, on this subject between 2 and 3 k ohms at 250V, and more like 10-20k at the sort of  touch voltage you see in a TN system.
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  • A very similar curve is in the older editions too. However the pinhole breakdown mechanism is thermal, and takes a some tens of milliseconds to occur - by then an instant RCD should be thinking about de-latching, if it has not already done so, I'd be nervous about relying on anything with a much longer disconnection time. Note that this hot spotting seems to be a feature of smaller contact areas only.

    I agree the figures need to be taken with a pinch of salt, or perhaps not, if your hands are wet ?.

    Also it is not clear which body parts this relates to,  and skin thickness varies quite a bit, palms of hands can be over 1mm to 1.5mm thick, while more delicate bits are less than half  mm  (ref)

    Mike.


    Curve 3 is the square cm or so of contact, on this subject between 2 and 3 k ohms at 250V, and more like 10-20k at the sort of  touch voltage you see in a TN system.
    8342b3638d6dbcd801fbc0ab2461ac8b-original-skin_oltage.png
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