ProMbrooke:Zoomup:ProMbrooke:
Also this video. Most importantly around 25 minutes in, the author shows a breaker tripping magnetically vs thermally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emxfsOUTkUgYeh, but the fire was started by a propane torch not an electrical arc. Why worry about electrical arcs when the fire has already been started by another cause? Illogical.
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In the U.K. we have the wonderful 13 Amp. plug made to B.S. 1363. Have you ever heard of it? It contains a fuse. The fuse rating can popularly be either 3 Amp or 13 Amp, but other sizes are available like 5 Amp or 10 Amp. Flexes are protected by these fuses which are less in value than the 20 Amp circuit breakers referred to in the dated video.
Z.
Illogical indeed, but sadly this was enough to get AFCIs taken seriously.
Of course I've heard of BS 1363 plugs. AFCIs were supposed to to mimic their their ability of clearing flex faults rather quickly.
Sometimes A.F.C.I.s work too quickly too.
Nuisance tripping with Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter Breakers? (AFCI) - Bing video
Z.
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In defence of A.F.C.I.s.
Why Is The Arc Fault Breakers Tripping In A Newer Home? - Bing video
Z.
The majority of that comes from the 30/50ma GFP built into some AFCIs. Which is good, for those that have it.
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Also this video. Most importantly around 25 minutes in, the author shows a breaker tripping magnetically vs thermally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emxfsOUTkUgYeh, but the fire was started by a propane torch not an electrical arc. Why worry about electrical arcs when the fire has already been started by another cause? Illogical.
Edit, add.
In the U.K. we have the wonderful 13 Amp. plug made to B.S. 1363. Have you ever heard of it? It contains a fuse. The fuse rating can popularly be either 3 Amp or 13 Amp, but other sizes are available like 5 Amp or 10 Amp. Flexes are protected by these fuses which are less in value than the 20 Amp circuit breakers referred to in the dated video.
Z.
Illogical indeed, but sadly this was enough to get AFCIs taken seriously.
Of course I've heard of BS 1363 plugs. AFCIs were supposed to to mimic their their ability of clearing flex faults rather quickly.Sometimes A.F.C.I.s work too quickly too.
Nuisance tripping with Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter Breakers? (AFCI) - Bing video
Z.
To quick? These can not tell the difference between sparks and LED lights, motors starting, bulbs burning out, switch mod power supplies, microwave ovens, ham radios, TVs, the list of devices and conditions which trips them gets its own library.
The thing is, looking at your graphic, I wonder if any copper is really saved. All the copper that goes into bonding everything together locally could go into a larger CPC whereby touch voltage is reduced in addition to disconnection times via fuses.
ProMbrooke:
You have a point regarding outside influences, but IMO I think bonding to the MET vs pipe bonding in every room would accomplish the same.
Modern installation ... plastic pipes? Some premises with no gas or oil service? MET only has the main earthing conductor and cpc connections ...
ProMbrooke:
but IMO I think bonding to the MET vs pipe bonding in every room would accomplish the same.
But in a fault situation where lots of current is flowing in the cpc but little current is flowing in the bonding conductor (just the 50mA or whatever flowing between two hands touching two things) then a bond to MET as opposed to a bond to the cpc near the fault will add the voltage drop along the cpc from MET to fault to the total touch voltage.
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