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Broken lens on PIR security light EICR code

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Hi 

 

Working on a property today and one of the issues was a PIR light not working, this was resoled by bending the lamp connections. But I noticed the lense on the on the PIR was old and cracked, trying to make my mind up between C2 and C3. Owners are selling soon and the property hasn't been touched for 16 years and will need some renovation by the next owners.

The light is at about 3m and out of reach, earthed and protected by an RCD. It's a halogen light therefore presumably the PIR is switching 240V and the PIR is at the bottom, I suspect if any water does enter it will run out before getting to the electrics. The electrics certainly seemed to be working, I didn't dig too deep as I suspect it would have lead to the lense breaking.

Looking at NAPIT code breakers below the crux of the matter is, is it likely to lead to potential danger. Given the above I am leaning towards it being unlikely to cause potential danger and a  C3.

What are your opinions?

 

Thanks

 

Alan

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    I would still report this broken P.I.R. lens as at least a C3. But as I have not seen the extent of the damage I am being cautious.

     

    1. The U.V. damage or impact damage has weakened the P.I.R. sensor so that even more of the enclosure may be compromised and access gained, or water ingress may occur. I expect that the manufacturer's instructions say not to use the device if damaged. What would happen if a person was on their metal ladder adjusting or moving the damaged device and their finger or thumb went through the brittle lens part into the bowls of the beast to 240 Volt land?

     

    2. Not being able to be touched is no reason not to code this damaged accessory. Can painters reach the device whilst on steps? Can gardeners or window cleaners reach the damaged device whilst using steps? Can the householder reach this device to adjust or clean it?

     

    3. We don't know the Voltages lurking about inside the device. AND what about mains Voltages tracking down condensation or carbon buildup to the point where it can be dangerous whilst you are on your earthed aluminium ladder?

     

    5. Reliability. It may cause nuisance tripping of the lighting circuit. Not good. It should be removed/disconnected/replaced.

     

    4. It is broken. It ain't right. Report it. You know it makes sense. This device is not “in a satisfactory condition for continued service”. It is life expired. 651.1

     

    Z.

     

     

     

     

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    I would still report this broken P.I.R. lens as at least a C3. But as I have not seen the extent of the damage I am being cautious.

     

    1. The U.V. damage or impact damage has weakened the P.I.R. sensor so that even more of the enclosure may be compromised and access gained, or water ingress may occur. I expect that the manufacturer's instructions say not to use the device if damaged. What would happen if a person was on their metal ladder adjusting or moving the damaged device and their finger or thumb went through the brittle lens part into the bowls of the beast to 240 Volt land?

     

    2. Not being able to be touched is no reason not to code this damaged accessory. Can painters reach the device whilst on steps? Can gardeners or window cleaners reach the damaged device whilst using steps? Can the householder reach this device to adjust or clean it?

     

    3. We don't know the Voltages lurking about inside the device. AND what about mains Voltages tracking down condensation or carbon buildup to the point where it can be dangerous whilst you are on your earthed aluminium ladder?

     

    5. Reliability. It may cause nuisance tripping of the lighting circuit. Not good. It should be removed/disconnected/replaced.

     

    4. It is broken. It ain't right. Report it. You know it makes sense. This device is not “in a satisfactory condition for continued service”. It is life expired. 651.1

     

    Z.

     

     

     

     

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