Videos of EICRs on Youtube

Never mind what they said, do you think either of these produced a full and proper report? 

The report is the only outcome of an EICR Inspection, not recommendations of further action is it (see BS7671)?

davezawadi (David Stone): 
Never mind what they said, do you think either of these produced a full and proper report? 

If they did, it was after I had got bored. But I suspect that they didn't post their reports, which is a shame.

Ultimately it is the inspector’s engineering judgment to attribute the correct classification code.

So how can you say anyone is right or wrong, as there is not a definitive reference.

The recommendations in the Artisan EICR is inline with the guidance from the IET:

However, absence of RCD protection for a socket-outlet likely to be used for portable equipment for use outdoors or for circuits in a location containing a bath or shower would warrant a C2 classification code, which would result in an unsatisfactory outcome.  

https://electrical.theiet.org/wiring-matters/years/2021/85-may-2021/eicr-myths/

So I am failing to see why you are taking issue with the video.

You trying to tell a thirty five year old electrician who is doing an EICR on an electrical installation that was installed two years before he was born in 1986 and is comparing it against the current edition of the Wiring Regulations that he should pass it as satisfactory because it complied with the regulations in 1984, when it is totally obvious that it doesn’t meet the current standards and it doesn’t meet the standards that he has complied with throughout most of his working life. There’s absolutely no reason why he should be familiar with the regulations that were current in 1984, on which of his training courses would he have been advised as to what they were? He definitely is not expected to have a copy of every edition of the Wiring Regulations ever published, just the current edition.

You really are setting a really low level of compliance with the Wiring Regulations and not taking into account that the Government has stated that the 18th Edition of the Wiring Regulations is the edition to use.

“electrical safety standards” means the standards for electrical installations in the eighteenth edition of the Wiring Regulations, published by the Institution of Engineering and Technology and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2018”

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2020/9780111191934

So, do we test to the current regulatory requirements? Or do we test to the regulatory requirements in force at 1st install.

If it passed the former then why has become suddenly unsafe………………………..?

And given the lag in parliamentary legislation, would you be happy to pass an installation based upon the current 18th ed pre-amd 2?

Videos? Dr Eclectic seems to be struggling and doesn't inspire confidence. Personally, after a visual, I'd have abandoned all testing because it was blatantly obvious that the place needed a rewire - no point in going any further.

Artisan - although he calls himself that, appears to be primarily concerned about making money from his videos. Some of his videos suggest that he doesn't have as much experience as one would like, and he seems fond of bending the rules to suit both himself and whoever is employing him.

This is the problem when there is a stark lack of prescriptive rules to follow when conducting inspections.

EICR opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one and none of them smell the same.

I take it then Andy, that lack of an RCD, which could be a socket or in the tails, means that an installation needs to be “rewired” completely? This seems to be the view of many, except that the cables themselves are normally in perfectly good condition, so why the disruption of everything to change them all? Why not just recommend correction of the defects found and then the issue a satisfactory notice? I ask because it would be the usual outcome for larger installations, partly on cost grounds, so why this attitude for domestic installations? 

I have another question too from those videos. At some point, a price of “6 grand” is mentioned. Is this a reasonable or justifiable estimate, or is it a “fine” because the house owner has been alleged to have done some of the poor work himself?

If anyone else has found any other “poor practice” videos, could they please send me links, davezawadi(at)yahoo.co.uk. Thanks very much.

Ref. 2nd video.  I would not even bother to carry out an inspection and test of that appalling installation. I would just stress to the owner that a total re-wire is necessary. I would not trust any of the existing wiring at all. An E.I.C.R. is a total waste of time. Just listen to the owner talking about open joints in the loft.

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davezawadi (David Stone): 
 

I take it then Andy, that lack of an RCD, which could be a socket or in the tails, means that an installation needs to be “rewired” completely? This seems to be the view of many, except that the cables themselves are normally in perfectly good condition, so why the disruption of everything to change them all? Why not just recommend correction of the defects found and then the issue a satisfactory notice? I ask because it would be the usual outcome for larger installations, partly on cost grounds, so why this attitude for domestic installations? 

How on earth did you get to that conclusion?