This discussion is locked.
You cannot post a reply to this discussion. If you have a question start a new discussion

Failed EICR

Former Community Member
Former Community Member

Hi just want to know what you guys and girls do in the following situation. 

You've carried out an EICR its failed. 

Once the remedials have been carried out do you redo the original EICR so it's Satisfactory?

Or do you fill out minor works certs and give these to the customer along with the original failed report so once cross referenced  it results in being satisfactory. 

This has been bugging me for awhile now. 

Regards TS

Parents
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member

    I've just had a look at IET Guidance Note 3, Chapter 5 Forms and this is what it states.

    This chapter provides guidance on completing the necessary schedules, certificates and reports associated with inspection and testing. Sample certificates and report, completed with typical entries, are provided together with sample test result schedules and sample inspection schedules, again completed with typical results.

    The chapter also contains some notes on completion of the forms, although helpful information on this will also be gained by reading earlier chapters of this Guidance Note.

     

    5.1 Initial verification (inspection and testing) forms

    Following the initial verification of a new installation or of an addition or alteration to an existing installation, an Electrical Installation Certificate is required to be completed and issued together with inspection schedule(s) and test result schedule(s).

    • Form 1 - Electrical Installation Certificate, EIC (three signatory version from Appendix 6 of BS 7671)

    When an Electrical Installation Certificate is used, appropriate numbers of the following forms are required to accompany the Certificate:

    • Form 2 - Schedule of Inspections for domestic and similar premises with up to 100 A supply or a more extensive schedule where necessary - (see below), and
    • Form 3 - Generic Schedule of Test Results.

     

    642.3 Form 2 is not suitable for inspection of installations rated at more than 100 A or that are more complex. For such installations the inspector will probably need to formulate their own inspection schedules. These should be based upon the requirements of Regulation 642.3 and the list of examples of items requiring inspection during initial verification, given in Appendix 6 of BS 7671.

    For completeness, two samples of typical completed Form 3s (schedule of test results) are included, one being for a single-phase 1nstallat1on and the other for a three-phase installation.

     

    5.2 Minor works

    The complete set of forms for initial verification (inspection and testing) may not be appropriate for minor works.  When an addition to an electrical installation does not extend to the installation of a new circuit, the Minor Electrical Installation Work Certificate may be used. This one page certificate is intended for such work as the addition of a socket-outlet or lighting point to an existing circuit, or for a repair or modification to each circuit worked on.  Consequently, where three circuits are worked on, for example, three Minor Electrical Installation Work Certificates would have to be issued; or all of the work could be detailed on an Electrical Installation Certificate.

    A Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate must not be used for the replacement of a consumer unit.

    The Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate (Form 4) is included and is taken from Appendix 6 of BS 7671.  Notes on completion and guidance for recipients are provided with the form.

     

    5.3 Periodic inspection and testing

    The inspection and testing of an existing electrical installation is reported on using an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR), see form 5.  And, just like with an EIC, this document is issued with the appropriate number of Generic Schedule(s) of Test Results (Form 3).

    For periodic inspections the Schedule of Inspections for initial verification i.e. form 2 should not be used, but the dedicated model suggested in BS 7671 as shown in form 6, may be used for inspections of domestic installations and installations up to 100A.  For larger and more complex installations the inspector will need to formulate his/ her own inspection schedules. These should be based on the requirements of Regulation 642.3 and the list of examples of items requiring inspection requiring inspection for an Electrical Installation Condition Reports given in Appendix 6 of BS 7671.

     

    The suggestion above is that an EIC or one or more Minor Works forms should be used to document repairs / remedial works.   If it’s an EIC then entry for ‘extent of the installation covered by this certificate’ box on the form could document the nature and scope of the repairs, and the design area might also need to be completed.   It might be a lot of form filling to complete multiple minor works forms on larger installations.

    If there were multiple repairs of certain types I'd personally be happy enough with a new EICR form which documented the particular circuits repaired or changed within the ‘extent and limitations of inspection and testing’ box on the form, and referring to the previous EICR form number, and gave the revised circuit information on included circuit schedules.  I've not studied all of the details on that and may be wrong but it's my thoughts. 

Reply
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member

    I've just had a look at IET Guidance Note 3, Chapter 5 Forms and this is what it states.

    This chapter provides guidance on completing the necessary schedules, certificates and reports associated with inspection and testing. Sample certificates and report, completed with typical entries, are provided together with sample test result schedules and sample inspection schedules, again completed with typical results.

    The chapter also contains some notes on completion of the forms, although helpful information on this will also be gained by reading earlier chapters of this Guidance Note.

     

    5.1 Initial verification (inspection and testing) forms

    Following the initial verification of a new installation or of an addition or alteration to an existing installation, an Electrical Installation Certificate is required to be completed and issued together with inspection schedule(s) and test result schedule(s).

    • Form 1 - Electrical Installation Certificate, EIC (three signatory version from Appendix 6 of BS 7671)

    When an Electrical Installation Certificate is used, appropriate numbers of the following forms are required to accompany the Certificate:

    • Form 2 - Schedule of Inspections for domestic and similar premises with up to 100 A supply or a more extensive schedule where necessary - (see below), and
    • Form 3 - Generic Schedule of Test Results.

     

    642.3 Form 2 is not suitable for inspection of installations rated at more than 100 A or that are more complex. For such installations the inspector will probably need to formulate their own inspection schedules. These should be based upon the requirements of Regulation 642.3 and the list of examples of items requiring inspection during initial verification, given in Appendix 6 of BS 7671.

    For completeness, two samples of typical completed Form 3s (schedule of test results) are included, one being for a single-phase 1nstallat1on and the other for a three-phase installation.

     

    5.2 Minor works

    The complete set of forms for initial verification (inspection and testing) may not be appropriate for minor works.  When an addition to an electrical installation does not extend to the installation of a new circuit, the Minor Electrical Installation Work Certificate may be used. This one page certificate is intended for such work as the addition of a socket-outlet or lighting point to an existing circuit, or for a repair or modification to each circuit worked on.  Consequently, where three circuits are worked on, for example, three Minor Electrical Installation Work Certificates would have to be issued; or all of the work could be detailed on an Electrical Installation Certificate.

    A Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate must not be used for the replacement of a consumer unit.

    The Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate (Form 4) is included and is taken from Appendix 6 of BS 7671.  Notes on completion and guidance for recipients are provided with the form.

     

    5.3 Periodic inspection and testing

    The inspection and testing of an existing electrical installation is reported on using an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR), see form 5.  And, just like with an EIC, this document is issued with the appropriate number of Generic Schedule(s) of Test Results (Form 3).

    For periodic inspections the Schedule of Inspections for initial verification i.e. form 2 should not be used, but the dedicated model suggested in BS 7671 as shown in form 6, may be used for inspections of domestic installations and installations up to 100A.  For larger and more complex installations the inspector will need to formulate his/ her own inspection schedules. These should be based on the requirements of Regulation 642.3 and the list of examples of items requiring inspection requiring inspection for an Electrical Installation Condition Reports given in Appendix 6 of BS 7671.

     

    The suggestion above is that an EIC or one or more Minor Works forms should be used to document repairs / remedial works.   If it’s an EIC then entry for ‘extent of the installation covered by this certificate’ box on the form could document the nature and scope of the repairs, and the design area might also need to be completed.   It might be a lot of form filling to complete multiple minor works forms on larger installations.

    If there were multiple repairs of certain types I'd personally be happy enough with a new EICR form which documented the particular circuits repaired or changed within the ‘extent and limitations of inspection and testing’ box on the form, and referring to the previous EICR form number, and gave the revised circuit information on included circuit schedules.  I've not studied all of the details on that and may be wrong but it's my thoughts. 

Children
No Data