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Confusion over table 7.1(i) OSG

When I look at line 10 (B40 mcb on a 6/2.5 twin and earth,TNS system the max circuit length due to zs is given as 23m(no RCD).Yet when I calc R1 +R2 x 23m I get 10.49x23/1000 = 0.24 ohms.Add ze for TNS to this(0.8) gives 1.04 ohms,whilst table B6 gives a max zs of 0.88 ohms for a B40.Wondered where I,m going wrong.

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  • maybe a good idea to go for 1st principles .

    A B breaker at the least sensitive edge of the permitted tolerance  needs to be hit with 5 times its nominal rating to guarantee to instant trip. That would be 200A.

    The mains may be as low as 230V- 10% or 207V. So

    loop resistance of 207/200 = 1.035 Ohm. 

    now neither the OSG nor BS7671 actually work like that, but prefer to give tables so we need to guess what has been done.

    The OSG, I think has taken the 0.8 ohms of the external network, and decided that 

    1.035 for the whole loop, minus the 0.8 ohms outdoors, leaves  a mere 0.235 ohms for the indoors bit, and asked how much cable is that resistance.

    1m of 6mm on the way out ~ 3 milliohms and 1m of 2.5mm core on the way back, 7 milliohms so 10milliohms per metre, and  0.235/0.010 = 23.5 metres

    I suspect by rounding the numbers in various places, like the core resistances you can get closer to 23m exactly.

    Its a hack as not almost no TNS systems have exactly 0.8 ohms external loop impedance and almost no B type breakers need the full 5 times nominal to fire, so in reality a longer cct is usually fine.

    Mike.

     

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  • maybe a good idea to go for 1st principles .

    A B breaker at the least sensitive edge of the permitted tolerance  needs to be hit with 5 times its nominal rating to guarantee to instant trip. That would be 200A.

    The mains may be as low as 230V- 10% or 207V. So

    loop resistance of 207/200 = 1.035 Ohm. 

    now neither the OSG nor BS7671 actually work like that, but prefer to give tables so we need to guess what has been done.

    The OSG, I think has taken the 0.8 ohms of the external network, and decided that 

    1.035 for the whole loop, minus the 0.8 ohms outdoors, leaves  a mere 0.235 ohms for the indoors bit, and asked how much cable is that resistance.

    1m of 6mm on the way out ~ 3 milliohms and 1m of 2.5mm core on the way back, 7 milliohms so 10milliohms per metre, and  0.235/0.010 = 23.5 metres

    I suspect by rounding the numbers in various places, like the core resistances you can get closer to 23m exactly.

    Its a hack as not almost no TNS systems have exactly 0.8 ohms external loop impedance and almost no B type breakers need the full 5 times nominal to fire, so in reality a longer cct is usually fine.

    Mike.

     

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