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5.2.8.5 Toilet facilities and changing rooms

For such a small paragraph in BS5266, I fend many questions with respect to when you must provide emergency lighting and when it should be supported with emergency lighting calculations.

I assume I am not alone in this, so I thought I would share my interpretation of the requirements. I could not find any information on when you would consider a multi-closet facility to have borrowed light, the assumption at the end is unfounded and my interpretation only. Comments appreciated.

[post comment] The original intend of this post was to find if this table helped simplify the process of determining the requirements for emergency lighting in bathrooms etc. The intent was not to discuss the design process, nor the question of what borrowed light is, or any other standard. 

Unfortunately, I am unable to delete the topic or close it.

Applicable for:    
Toilets    
Bathroom    
Showers    
Changing Rooms    
     
Use of SpaceProvision of Borrowed LightArea of SpaceEmergency
Lighting
Required
Calculation
Required
For Use by Disabled PersonsAll8m2 or lessYESNO
For Use by Disabled PersonsAllAbove 8m2YESYES
Single Closet FacilitiesWith Borrowed Light8m2 or lessNO-
Single Closet FacilitiesWithout Borrowed Light8m2 or lessNO-
Single Closet FacilitiesWith Borrowed LightAbove 8m2YESYES
Single Closet FacilitiesWithout Borrowed LightAbove 8m2YESYES
Multiple Closet FacilitiesWith Borrowed Light8m2 or lessNO 
Multiple Closet FacilitiesWithout Borrowed Light8m2 or lessYESNO
Multiple Closet FacilitiesWith Borrowed LightAbove 8m2YESYES
Multiple Closet FacilitiesWithout Borrowed LightAbove 8m2YESYES
Hotel Bathroom/EnsuitsWith Borrowed Light8m2 or lessNO-
Hotel Bathroom/EnsuitsWithout Borrowed Light8m2 or lessNO-
Hotel Bathroom/EnsuitsWith Borrowed LightAbove 8m2YESYES
Hotel Bathroom/EnsuitsWithout Borrowed LightAbove 8m2YESYES
     
Note: closet, wall and doors must allow borrowed light. Using standard partition sizes and typical minimum ceiling height this would include 300mm above, and 100mm below. Where closet cannot be provided with borrowed light then emergency lighting per closet should be provided.
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  • The issue I have with “Borrowed light” is this:

    Around fifteen to twenty years ago there was Guidance published by what I guess back the was the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister before it became the DCLG, then the MHCLG regarding borrowed light.

    The example given was that if a block of flats had a stairwell with full height windows and a street lighting column outside then emergency lighting may not have been required, because the street lighting column would illuminate the stairs and landings whilst the internal lighting was not functioning.

    I am sure you can see flaws in the idea that you could rely on a street lighting column outside of the building, but it was there in official guidance that was frequently referred to by Local Authorities and others.

    I went and did the NAPIT Emergency lighting course back in September 2008 and we discussed this idea, then ripped it apart and discounted it as a practical solution.

    So now I really question any suggestion of borrowed light for emergency lighting purposes, there's a building I have worked in that has a full height internal window between two stairways in a divided building with each half in separate ownership. The owner of the side of the building I was working in wanted to rely on next doors emergency lights shining through the internal window if there was a power cut, I am sure you can see the flaws in that plan as well.

    Back to the topic, I am not convinced that the concept of borrowed light in toilet cubicles with doors and partitions around the stall that allow a small amount of light to shine into the cubicles above and below them is a workable solution, the emergency lighting in the cubicle is not expected to allow the user to be able to carry on reading a book, but they do need to be able to get out of there with their dignity intact.  

    So a hard and fast definition of borrowed light for emergency lighting purposes is required along with the expected outcome.

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  • The issue I have with “Borrowed light” is this:

    Around fifteen to twenty years ago there was Guidance published by what I guess back the was the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister before it became the DCLG, then the MHCLG regarding borrowed light.

    The example given was that if a block of flats had a stairwell with full height windows and a street lighting column outside then emergency lighting may not have been required, because the street lighting column would illuminate the stairs and landings whilst the internal lighting was not functioning.

    I am sure you can see flaws in the idea that you could rely on a street lighting column outside of the building, but it was there in official guidance that was frequently referred to by Local Authorities and others.

    I went and did the NAPIT Emergency lighting course back in September 2008 and we discussed this idea, then ripped it apart and discounted it as a practical solution.

    So now I really question any suggestion of borrowed light for emergency lighting purposes, there's a building I have worked in that has a full height internal window between two stairways in a divided building with each half in separate ownership. The owner of the side of the building I was working in wanted to rely on next doors emergency lights shining through the internal window if there was a power cut, I am sure you can see the flaws in that plan as well.

    Back to the topic, I am not convinced that the concept of borrowed light in toilet cubicles with doors and partitions around the stall that allow a small amount of light to shine into the cubicles above and below them is a workable solution, the emergency lighting in the cubicle is not expected to allow the user to be able to carry on reading a book, but they do need to be able to get out of there with their dignity intact.  

    So a hard and fast definition of borrowed light for emergency lighting purposes is required along with the expected outcome.

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