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Type A R.C.D. 6mA tolerant.

Can I really be confident in the use of a Type A R.C.D. that will tolerate up to only 6mA D.C. current and still operate?

I have a box of old Pifco torch bulbs as used in battery motorists' lanterns. They are filament bulbs rated at 6.2V 0.5 Amp. Their current draw is 500mA. And that for a not very bright torch bulb. That current is supplied via dry cells.

So, the Type A R.C.D.s can only work reliably with a D.C. current of up to 6mA. That is a piddly low current.

Comments please.

Z.

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  • I think that we are getting into very deep unknown territory here, and it is far from helpful to anyone. Let's review what we expect from an RCD protected circuit, and why we may have an RCD. I will not include TT installations here as they have another completely different set of requirements.

    We fit 30mA RCD protection to final circuits as a personnel protection measure as additional protection against direct contact. We assume that the circuit has a satisfactory CPC, and therefore a short circuit from live to Earth should open the CPD. This should have nothing to do with the RCD, but we expect an L-E fault current of many (several) Amperes, and therefore the RCD being less sensitive is fairly irrelevant. Now we get to the slightly more tricky point, say the appliance has electronics incorporated that uses a rectified supply, does this present a danger. It seems that manufacturers are suggesting (via their instructions) that it does, and want “fancy” types of RCD protection. Now the question, what is the actual risk from a DC fault, remembering the additional protection clause? The appliance has a normal CPC and Earthing, so how does this fault occur in a dangerous way? The RCD protection of final circuits in BS7671 never says that these are a primary protection method against Earth faults (except for TT) so why do we need additional protection that works for DC (or some version of not pure AC)? The only reason can be if an RCD shares several circuits or several loads, one of which has a DC Earth fault and another with direct human contact that needs additional protection, that is a double fault scenario. You will see that the DC fault current must also be fairly small so that the CPD doesn't open, and yet large enough to prevent full RCD sensitivity or speed of operation.

    We have here a contrived “what if” situation, of the type that I particularly dislike. The risk of direct contact is very small, the risk of a suitable DC fault also ought to be very small, so the overall likelihood is minute. I can think of many double fault scenarios that are much more likely, say a broken appliance CPC and an earth fault in the same device, or a broken CPC and an exposed appliance lead conductor. These may well be rendered fairly safe with an RCD, as we all understand. However, this does not change the requirement that somehow the person needs to be exposed to a very unlikely scenario, that used to be considered and proved to be very unusual. I have a feeling that we are seeing the result of the increasing “back covering” by everyone, if one specifies the “best” possible RCD protection criticism is impossible, and all risks must be avoided however tiny.

    If one examines the circuit diagrams of a number of consumer devices, the number of places where fault currents could be small (> 6mA) and not large, and between an incoming conductor and the electronics without causing any other failure is very small. Asymmetric current from the mains supply is also quite difficult to arrange, particularly if the circuit is not to be broken in some way by the heat generated. DC current in both mains conductors cancel in exactly the same way as AC ones in the RCD core, and highish frequency ones will still operate the RCD. Those promoting these ideas need to explain exactly how such faults as they describe can reasonably happen,because in most cases I think that they cannot, for sound engineering reasons.

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  • I think that we are getting into very deep unknown territory here, and it is far from helpful to anyone. Let's review what we expect from an RCD protected circuit, and why we may have an RCD. I will not include TT installations here as they have another completely different set of requirements.

    We fit 30mA RCD protection to final circuits as a personnel protection measure as additional protection against direct contact. We assume that the circuit has a satisfactory CPC, and therefore a short circuit from live to Earth should open the CPD. This should have nothing to do with the RCD, but we expect an L-E fault current of many (several) Amperes, and therefore the RCD being less sensitive is fairly irrelevant. Now we get to the slightly more tricky point, say the appliance has electronics incorporated that uses a rectified supply, does this present a danger. It seems that manufacturers are suggesting (via their instructions) that it does, and want “fancy” types of RCD protection. Now the question, what is the actual risk from a DC fault, remembering the additional protection clause? The appliance has a normal CPC and Earthing, so how does this fault occur in a dangerous way? The RCD protection of final circuits in BS7671 never says that these are a primary protection method against Earth faults (except for TT) so why do we need additional protection that works for DC (or some version of not pure AC)? The only reason can be if an RCD shares several circuits or several loads, one of which has a DC Earth fault and another with direct human contact that needs additional protection, that is a double fault scenario. You will see that the DC fault current must also be fairly small so that the CPD doesn't open, and yet large enough to prevent full RCD sensitivity or speed of operation.

    We have here a contrived “what if” situation, of the type that I particularly dislike. The risk of direct contact is very small, the risk of a suitable DC fault also ought to be very small, so the overall likelihood is minute. I can think of many double fault scenarios that are much more likely, say a broken appliance CPC and an earth fault in the same device, or a broken CPC and an exposed appliance lead conductor. These may well be rendered fairly safe with an RCD, as we all understand. However, this does not change the requirement that somehow the person needs to be exposed to a very unlikely scenario, that used to be considered and proved to be very unusual. I have a feeling that we are seeing the result of the increasing “back covering” by everyone, if one specifies the “best” possible RCD protection criticism is impossible, and all risks must be avoided however tiny.

    If one examines the circuit diagrams of a number of consumer devices, the number of places where fault currents could be small (> 6mA) and not large, and between an incoming conductor and the electronics without causing any other failure is very small. Asymmetric current from the mains supply is also quite difficult to arrange, particularly if the circuit is not to be broken in some way by the heat generated. DC current in both mains conductors cancel in exactly the same way as AC ones in the RCD core, and highish frequency ones will still operate the RCD. Those promoting these ideas need to explain exactly how such faults as they describe can reasonably happen,because in most cases I think that they cannot, for sound engineering reasons.

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