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Riveting labels to 16 A outlet covers

jbrameld

Looking to tap the impressive hive mind here again.

We have completed an installation of internally-wired theatrical lighting bars which have 16A SPNE BS EN 60309 outlets on them.  These are mounted on 'Smartsocket' backboxes : https://www.robolights.co.uk/products/smart-socket/16a 

The outlets themselves are Walther 410 306 SW like this: 

This image shows the socket mounted to a connection panel but it's the same item we have mounted to the lighting bar.

There is a circuit identifier label affixed to the rear of the Smartsocket assembly, which is easily visible but the Theatre Consultant has stated that they want an identifier in the form of a traffolyte label riveted to the flip cover of the outlet (they won't accept adhesive labels).  We can use plastic rivets which we think will fit, but the label would obscure some of the information on the lid.  We may get away with only obscuring the part number and a bit of the manufacturer name and the CE mark.  The rating information could likely be left still visible.

The environment is indoors in a 'dry' location so there isn't really a need for any specific IP rating.

So to my question: Is there anything from a regulation/compliance perspective that would prevent us from doing this?

Thanks in advance.

Jason.

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    jbrameld said:
    So to my question: Is there anything from a regulation/compliance perspective that would prevent us from doing this?

    I presume that means drilling through part of the socket itself (even if it's just the flip cover) - I'd hazard a guess that such a practice isn't covered by the product standard or manufacturer's instructions. I can imagine that the manufacturer might have all sorts of objections - from physical weakening of the flap (which on those sockets is also part of the plug latching mechanism) to compromising creepage & clearance distances (especially if metal rivets could be used or the plastic ones substituted with metal at a later date).

    In short I'd formally ask the socket manufacturer if they support such a practice and would continue to honour all the usual guarantees and compliances, and when they say no, chuck it back to the consultant.

    I don't think anyone in their right mind would drill and rivet into a plastic 13A socket faceplate - standards and compliance wise, I don't see there being much more wiggle room for a BS EN 60309 socket.

        - Andy.

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    jbrameld said:
    So to my question: Is there anything from a regulation/compliance perspective that would prevent us from doing this?

    I presume that means drilling through part of the socket itself (even if it's just the flip cover) - I'd hazard a guess that such a practice isn't covered by the product standard or manufacturer's instructions. I can imagine that the manufacturer might have all sorts of objections - from physical weakening of the flap (which on those sockets is also part of the plug latching mechanism) to compromising creepage & clearance distances (especially if metal rivets could be used or the plastic ones substituted with metal at a later date).

    In short I'd formally ask the socket manufacturer if they support such a practice and would continue to honour all the usual guarantees and compliances, and when they say no, chuck it back to the consultant.

    I don't think anyone in their right mind would drill and rivet into a plastic 13A socket faceplate - standards and compliance wise, I don't see there being much more wiggle room for a BS EN 60309 socket.

        - Andy.

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    well no, when you modify it you become the manufacturer and responsible for the modified parts - similar to the mixed MCBs in a CU argument, but more serious as here it is directly covering un-shuttered live parts- so if as per my previous you make a complete new lid, it has to be as good as the one it replaces - and I suggest a material modification to the existing one, like holes,  is much the same.

    I'm rather assuming your consultant expects and is happy to sign off for the CE marking, being the design authority for the modification he is proposing? If not remind him he should be.
    Mike.

    PS I still think sticky labels ..

    PPS Oddly I have drilled holes into a normal socket front, to attach some electronics to it, but I was happy to be the DA in that rather odd case, it being my design and all, but it was a good few years ago.

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