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Open PEN detection for 722.411.4.1 (iv)

Following on from the recent discussion about the adequacy of open-PEN detection devices that disconnect when the L-N voltage goes outside of the 207-253V range and how, when the single phase installation is fed from a 3-phase supply system, some open-PEN situations might go unnoticed even though the PEN/PE voltage can be significantly higher than 70V from true Earth.

Can people check that I'm understanding this correctly please?

As I see it, once the PEN becomes disconnected, it's free to float from Earth and can therefore be dragged towards the various L1/L2/L3 voltages depending on any impedances left between the severed N and the line conductors (usually any connected loads).

So thinking about it in phasor diagram terms, you have the usual triangle formed by L1/L2/L3 and N can then be dragged to any position within that triangle.

The detection device is looking at L-N voltages - or to put it another way, it's measuring the voltage on the N by using L as a reference. It's only seeing one phase, so can't work out anything about phase angles so it measures the magnitude of the voltage difference only - the phase angle of the measured L-N voltage could be anything. So I'm thinking that any given voltage different like that would show up on a phasor diagram as an arc (or circle) centred on the L position (L1 say) - the radius represent the magnitude of the voltage difference from L and the angle could be anything (within limits) - hence an arc rather than a single point.

So drawing arcs for the 207V and 253V from L, I get a region in between where the open-PEN device will think all is well.

So I've got this:

so the coloured regions are were the device thinks all is well - green where the N/PE voltage is actually ≤50V from true Earth, yellow between 50V and 70V (usually deemed acceptable for EV situations) and red where the device thinks all is well but the N/PE voltage is actually in excess of 70V from true Earth (anything up to 128V in this particular example). For the remaining unshaded areas of the triangle, the device will see L-N out of range and disconnect. Does that all make sense?

I've had to make an assumption about the actual line voltage present - since the N/PEN voltage is measured against that - I picked 240V as being typical for a UK installation, but of course it could vary considerably - which I suspect will mean that there could be an even wider range of PEN voltages that under particular circumstances the device would regard as being acceptable.

   - Andy.

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  • if you have 3 phases and neutral you can detect when neutral is not centered with far more confidence - consider that 'triangle' view above. 3 equal resistors will give you a true centre, and a sensor that trips if this is more than 10-20 volts off neutral will do. (It will also trip on one lost phase but then that too is  a fault..)

    Mike.

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  • if you have 3 phases and neutral you can detect when neutral is not centered with far more confidence - consider that 'triangle' view above. 3 equal resistors will give you a true centre, and a sensor that trips if this is more than 10-20 volts off neutral will do. (It will also trip on one lost phase but then that too is  a fault..)

    Mike.

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