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Sockets near end panels

Afternoon,

Just wondering, whilst there are provisions for sockets and switch locations from corners of rooms, I've never seen any for proximity to kitchen end panels (such as ends panels of built in fridge freezers, etc)

I assume as these are not fixed construction as such, there is no Reg for distance between a socket and end panel?

  • Not sure what you are asking here. So even though it is a beautiful sunny Easter weekend and everybody else has been on the beach, that may explain no response so far.

    The only restriction indoors that comes to mind is within 3.0 m, sorry 2.5 m this month, of a bath or shower.

    Are you thinking of the safe zones?

  • I can't think of any general provisions for the horizontal distance between sockets and corners in either BS 7671 or part M. There are the general requirements for accessibility, suitability for the environment and good workmanship of course,which might lead some to recommend specific distances in some circumstances - a bit like the recommended horizontal distances between kitchen sinks/hobs and sockets - but no specific regulation as far as I know.

    Hopefully common sense should prevent the worst disasters - like a new build I had to dead with once where the back box for a phone socket had been located so close to a corner that after the plaster had been applied they'd had to hack a chunk out of the adjacent wall to get the faceplate on Rolling eyes

      - Andy.

  • 553.1.7.

    "conveniently accessible socket outlet."

    Z.

  • Only ask as I came across one hat was right up against the end panel a few months ago, and one yesterday that the end panel was cut and fitted over one of the sockets of a double.

    Obviously the electrics had been one prior, so I'm sure would have passed at the time, but got me think if that would be classed as none compliant now. 

  • well it's not great , but nor does it sound like it is  a shock or fire risk. There must be loads of sockets that are obscured by wardrobes, double beds etc that do not move much more frequently than the  rate of kitchen refits in other households. I do not think it breaks any regs as such, apart from the 'good practice' sort of stuff, unless  there is some other factor, like it being wet or damaged.
    It may be worth a note, so that folk realise you did spot it, but on its own no urgent action required . 
    ~Mike.

  • BS 8900 says sockets should not be less than 350mm from an internal corner. Then as Mr M Caine says, "not a lot of people know that".

  • That is true, but I don't think I none permentant structure such as kitchen cabinets would for a corner was referenced in BS. 

    It's also doesn't apply to horizontal distance to door frames if I remember correct, only corners of walls that form the fabric of the building 

  • one yesterday that the end panel was cut and fitted over one of the sockets of a double.

    I see what you mean. If the socket is unoccupied, it isn't really a problem except that I&T of the socket may be challenging.

    As mapj1 says, the situation is similar to sockets which may be inaccessible because they are behind heavy furniture. For me, the only problem is at I&T time when they would have to be listed as a limitation.

    I would regard kitchen cabinets as being part of the structure of the building.

  • BS 8900 says sockets should not be less than 350mm from an internal corner.

    John, have you got the correct number there? BS 8900 concerns itself with sustainable development.

    I don't see why a socket should not be close to a corner provided that it is accessible. Take for example, alcoves on either side of a chimney breast. If they were less than 700 mm wide, sockets could not be placed within them.

  • Edit; Chris posted same question.