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Defibrillator installation

IronFreely

Hi, Ive been asked to fit a couple of defibrillators at my local town hall. I dont know why but there’s something in the back of my mind telling me that there may be some specific requirements. I might have a memory of being told once that theres a specific city and guilds AED installation  course but google hasn't given me much there… I had a look through my shiny new brown book but didn't find anything of significance, I like the cover of new book, feels tougher than the previous ones but i did rely like that calming shade of blue.

Im your average qualified sparks who mostly rocks the domestic world and I’m obviously signed up to a scheme and have the usual insurances and qualifications. Any way so, beyond the normal every day rules regarding fault protection, earthing and bonding etc is there anything else anyone would advise me to consider before accepting the job?

One thing I’ve considered is that these things go on an exterior wall and appear to be in metal cabinets, having not yet received the instructions I may find the casing is technically an exposed conductive part and may require earthing so that may bring up the question of exporting PME.  However I have been told by the person booking the work they are rated IP65 and he believes they are class 2/double insulated so that would suggest perhaps the external casing would not require earthing and as you cant plug a lawnmower into it perhaps its not going to be a worry connecting the it to a final circuit on a property with PME. 

Id appreciate some thoughts and advice especially from anyone with experience of fitting them as Ive never been asked before, id rather come on hear and ask a rookie question than make a rookie mistake when by now I should know better! 

Thanks in advance 

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    I’m just glad that they don’t advise rescue breaths anymore, I never fancied getting lip to lip with the old tramp on the pavement

    The last time I did my first aid course (a few years ago now) the "rescue" breaths - i.e.the first two attempts before starting chest compressions had been dropped, but the breaths between each batch of chest compressions remained. I think the idea was that if the patient had collapsed because of heart problems (most likely with adults that suddenly collapse) then were was likely to be some oxygen in the blood still, so pumping it around was the first priority - but where the air supply had failed first (e.g. choking or drowning - more likely with children) then the first priority was to try and get oxygen into their system - so rescue breaths first still. In any event oxygen in the body will be being used up - so breaths still needed after each batch of chest compressions (30 now I think rather than the traditional 'nelly the elephant' 15). I think "no breaths at all" is only advised where the person giving aid hasn't been trained to perform CPR properly and is unlikely to be able to do everything else that's needed - clearing airways and so on or it's impossible to get a seal on the mouth (major trauma to the patient's face etc.)  Even will full CPR with breaths the patient's chances are pretty slim - without breaths it can only be worse.

       - Andy.

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    I’m just glad that they don’t advise rescue breaths anymore, I never fancied getting lip to lip with the old tramp on the pavement

    The last time I did my first aid course (a few years ago now) the "rescue" breaths - i.e.the first two attempts before starting chest compressions had been dropped, but the breaths between each batch of chest compressions remained. I think the idea was that if the patient had collapsed because of heart problems (most likely with adults that suddenly collapse) then were was likely to be some oxygen in the blood still, so pumping it around was the first priority - but where the air supply had failed first (e.g. choking or drowning - more likely with children) then the first priority was to try and get oxygen into their system - so rescue breaths first still. In any event oxygen in the body will be being used up - so breaths still needed after each batch of chest compressions (30 now I think rather than the traditional 'nelly the elephant' 15). I think "no breaths at all" is only advised where the person giving aid hasn't been trained to perform CPR properly and is unlikely to be able to do everything else that's needed - clearing airways and so on or it's impossible to get a seal on the mouth (major trauma to the patient's face etc.)  Even will full CPR with breaths the patient's chances are pretty slim - without breaths it can only be worse.

       - Andy.

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