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O-Pen Device on a 3 phase PME distribution network

Hi All,

Please can someone advise on installing an O-pen device that complies with Reg 722.411.4.1 (iv) on a 3 phase installation as the wording in amendment 2 has changed with the words 'in a single phase installation' now been removed. 

My understanding from the CoP 4 was that the potential issue was that this devise will detect most conditions that arise through a break in the PEN, but when installed on a supply from a 3 phase PME distribution network there are a small number of conditions in which the line to neutral voltage appears to be within the normal utilization voltage range but the voltage on the PME earthing system has risen above 70 V rms. 

Does this therefor mean that BS 7671 now consider this to no longer be a potential risk or is the risk so small, they don't deem it requires any further precaution? Surely there is still a risk this device wont detect the break and operate as required??

And going forward, can we then assume that installing an EVSE with integral O-Pen protection that complies with indent (iv) is now perfectly acceptable on a 3 phase PME distribution network?

Regards

Mark 

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  • Yes this is a risk - some discussion here: https://engx.theiet.org/f/wiring-and-regulations/28198/open-pen-detection-for-722-411-4-1-iv

    Note that the 'in a single phase installation' condition didn't preclude its use with a 3-phase distribution network - since most single phase installations are fed from 3-phase public networks. If you had a 3-phase installation it's possible to do a much more thorough job by creating an artificial neutral to compare voltage with. Of course that's not an option with single phase installations, and I guess not particularly practical if you happen to be on the end of a single phase submain on a larger site that has a 3-phase incomer either.

       - Andy.

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  • Yes this is a risk - some discussion here: https://engx.theiet.org/f/wiring-and-regulations/28198/open-pen-detection-for-722-411-4-1-iv

    Note that the 'in a single phase installation' condition didn't preclude its use with a 3-phase distribution network - since most single phase installations are fed from 3-phase public networks. If you had a 3-phase installation it's possible to do a much more thorough job by creating an artificial neutral to compare voltage with. Of course that's not an option with single phase installations, and I guess not particularly practical if you happen to be on the end of a single phase submain on a larger site that has a 3-phase incomer either.

       - Andy.

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  • HI Andy,

    Thank you as always for your reply.

    I did stumble across the attached thread after posting.

    We install a number of chargers within the commercial and industrial sectors where obviously almost all sites are 3-phase, a number of which with private transformers & TN-S supplies so not an issue there.

    Previously where installing on a TN-C-S, we would install a 3-phase O-pen device upstream the chargers, then a number of single phase supplies to the chargers.

    We now have an option of installing chargers which have the integral built in O-Pen described in Indent (iv) but have still been allowing for the 3 phase O-Pen upstream as we believed there is still a risk. 

    I suppose the question is are we been over cautious and increasing cost unnecessarily or is this the approach that you believe should be adopted unless confirmation is received from the manufacturer that the upstream O-pen is not required?

    Regards 

    Mark