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2346 not recognised in ROI

The CIty and Guilds 2346 Experienced Worker is now a reasonably established route to achieve recognition as a competent electrician in the U.K. The qualification also embeds a requirement to have the 18th Edition and at least the 2391 initial verification. To apply for an ECS card or QS status with NICEIC, NAPIT or the like, the candidate must also acquire the AM2E. 
The ROI operate a scheme called Safe Electric which controls electrical installation work, particularly in the domestic sector where the work undertaken must be signed off by a Qualified Certifier (QC).

To become a QC, you must have gained an advanced craft certificate in electrical installation which is a level 6 qualification in the ROI and mapped to level 5 on the European Qualification Framework (EQF). Alternatively, if the applicant has gained qualifications outside the ROI, then providing they are equivalent, they will be accepted.

Unfortunately, in the U.K. the NVQ L3 is mapped to a level 4 on the EQF meaning that even someone regarded as fully competent in the U.K. will not be accepted as a QC in the ROI.

I imagine that will be of little consequence to you guys on the mainland but here in NI there is significant draw to the very lucrative electrical installation sector on the domestic side in the ROI.

Quite what the difference is between the qualifications, I have no idea, but one would have expected some collaboration between those who were involved in creating the NVQ L3 and the 2346 in the U.K. and Safe Electric representing our nearest European neighbour. 
Meanwhile, I have quite a few lads who recently gained their 2346, AM2E and the obligatory city and guilds qualification for inspection and testing in ROI who can only sit on the sidelines while the lads in the ROI fill their boots!

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  • I have never heard of C&G 'Experienced Worker qualification in my life before. Neither have I ever heard of something called 'AM2E' . Are these things the exclusive preserve of my old country rather then here in the UK?

    And have they now split the old 2391 into 2 separate parts? What happened to the old 12 week course followed by an 1 hr practical and a 1 hr written exam?

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  • I have never heard of C&G 'Experienced Worker qualification in my life before. Neither have I ever heard of something called 'AM2E' . Are these things the exclusive preserve of my old country rather then here in the UK?

    And have they now split the old 2391 into 2 separate parts? What happened to the old 12 week course followed by an 1 hr practical and a 1 hr written exam?

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  • No, its a UK thing. It's been around for probably 3 years now. The Governing Bodies have now stated that to be an Electrician, an NVQ3 is required. Many people over the age of 50 do not have this, and their apprenticeship/training do not give them the equivalent, so cannot now get, or renew their membership of JIB/NAPIT/NICEIC.

    To counteract this, C&G brought in the 2346, which is a portfolio to show that the Worker can meet the standards for an NVQ3. It involves a lot of picture taking of work in progress and completed, to show that that person is competent. If they meet the standard, they get the NVQ3.

    The AM2E is just the AM2 that apprentices do, along with a bit of conduit work.

    IMO, it's just a large money making exercise. The work submitted has to include pics of the person applying. But there is no saying they have done it, they just need to show their pics cutting/fitting various things, however that doesnt show them doing the actual install. I could take pics of my trainee doing stuff, they'll look great in the pics, but they wouldnt have any clue about doing it on their own. 6 - 10 site visits by an Assessor would be a far better way of judging the competentcy of a person, but that is beyond the realms of C&G it appears.

    2391 - no idea what is happening with it now, but it was more than one practical when I did it, I think there were 2 fault testing rigs, one testing rig, and a 3 hour exam. It did split into 2 courses around 10 years ago 2394/5 iirc. and has since been resurrected in a slightly different form.I think Steve Briggs, who posts here occassionly ,has lamented that standards have dropped since it was changed.