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2346 not recognised in ROI

The CIty and Guilds 2346 Experienced Worker is now a reasonably established route to achieve recognition as a competent electrician in the U.K. The qualification also embeds a requirement to have the 18th Edition and at least the 2391 initial verification. To apply for an ECS card or QS status with NICEIC, NAPIT or the like, the candidate must also acquire the AM2E. 
The ROI operate a scheme called Safe Electric which controls electrical installation work, particularly in the domestic sector where the work undertaken must be signed off by a Qualified Certifier (QC).

To become a QC, you must have gained an advanced craft certificate in electrical installation which is a level 6 qualification in the ROI and mapped to level 5 on the European Qualification Framework (EQF). Alternatively, if the applicant has gained qualifications outside the ROI, then providing they are equivalent, they will be accepted.

Unfortunately, in the U.K. the NVQ L3 is mapped to a level 4 on the EQF meaning that even someone regarded as fully competent in the U.K. will not be accepted as a QC in the ROI.

I imagine that will be of little consequence to you guys on the mainland but here in NI there is significant draw to the very lucrative electrical installation sector on the domestic side in the ROI.

Quite what the difference is between the qualifications, I have no idea, but one would have expected some collaboration between those who were involved in creating the NVQ L3 and the 2346 in the U.K. and Safe Electric representing our nearest European neighbour. 
Meanwhile, I have quite a few lads who recently gained their 2346, AM2E and the obligatory city and guilds qualification for inspection and testing in ROI who can only sit on the sidelines while the lads in the ROI fill their boots!

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  • The candidate has the following but still cannot gain Qualified Certifier status in ROI (Qualified Certifier is much the same as Qualified Supervisor status with NICEIC and NAPIT);

     

    * has served a full period of apprenticeship and has more than five years post-apprenticeship experience

    * has met the learning outcomes of the 2346-03 Electrotechnical Experienced Worker Qualification and awarded the qualification

    * has sat and passed the City and Guilds Level 3 Award 2382 BS7671 2018 requirements for electrical installations

    * has sat and passed the City and Guilds Level 3 2391 in Initial and Periodic Inspection and Testing of Electrical Installations

    * has sat and passed the safety critical NET end-point AM2E assessment

    * is a holder of the ECS Gold Card indicating that he is a qualified electrician in the UK

    * is a the Qualified Supervisor on the NICEIC register of approved electrical contractors and is subject to annual inspection.

    * has sat and passed the City and Guilds Level 2 2407 Certificate in Electrical Testing and Verification of Electrical Installations (Ireland)

    * owns and operates a relatively large electrical contracting business operating across Ireland

    * demonstrably maintains his practical competencies and subscribes to the need for CPD for himself and his operatives.

    The achievement of the Experienced Worker Qualification and the AM2E meets the criteria for an ECS gold card application, the ECS Check and Spark-Safe Licence to Practise schemes under CPD NI PGN 01/16.

    The Experienced Worker Assessment is also recognised in the Electrotechnical Assessment Specification as equivalent to an industry apprenticeship.

    The Electrotechnical Assessment Specification was prepared by a management committee that included representatives of the competent person scheme providers, trade associations, the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government, the Welsh Government, Electrical Safety First and the Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET).

    The Advanced Craft Certificate is a requirement for QC status and maps to a level 5 on the European Qualification Framework while the 2346-03 Electrotechnical Experienced Worker Qualification, like the apprentice route NVQ Level 3, maps to a level 4.

    So it would seem even if you are an above-average electrician with the full suite of Level 3 competence qualifications in the UK, currently you will not meet the requirements for QC status in the ROI. 

  • I think it sounds like a protectionist over-bureaucratic process driven by money and  not the best interests of the industry. Very EU-friendly so no surprise there.

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  • I think it sounds like a protectionist over-bureaucratic process driven by money and  not the best interests of the industry. Very EU-friendly so no surprise there.

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  • Very EU-friendly so no surprise there.

    I beg to differ. The EU has a pretty detailed system for mutual recognition of qualifications. If ROI does not accept British qualifications, presumably it is a result of Brexit.

  • NI for all intents and purposes has to still abide by eu rules, which we all know are protectionist at worst, and corrupt at best.

  • which we all know are protectionist at worst, and corrupt at best.

    Please don't assume to speak for all of us. I strongly disagree with your assertion.

  • The real question should be do the ROI and NI have more or less electrocutions, or electrcally started fires, than a) each other b) England Scotland or Wales?
    The rest is so much grandstanding, and  Brexit is not really part of it, apart from perhaps making folk who need to follow 2  sets of rules poorer - you could just as eaily argue that the C and G qualifications or even BS7671, are an unreasonable barrier.

    Mike