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2346 not recognised in ROI

lyledunn

The CIty and Guilds 2346 Experienced Worker is now a reasonably established route to achieve recognition as a competent electrician in the U.K. The qualification also embeds a requirement to have the 18th Edition and at least the 2391 initial verification. To apply for an ECS card or QS status with NICEIC, NAPIT or the like, the candidate must also acquire the AM2E. 
The ROI operate a scheme called Safe Electric which controls electrical installation work, particularly in the domestic sector where the work undertaken must be signed off by a Qualified Certifier (QC).

To become a QC, you must have gained an advanced craft certificate in electrical installation which is a level 6 qualification in the ROI and mapped to level 5 on the European Qualification Framework (EQF). Alternatively, if the applicant has gained qualifications outside the ROI, then providing they are equivalent, they will be accepted.

Unfortunately, in the U.K. the NVQ L3 is mapped to a level 4 on the EQF meaning that even someone regarded as fully competent in the U.K. will not be accepted as a QC in the ROI.

I imagine that will be of little consequence to you guys on the mainland but here in NI there is significant draw to the very lucrative electrical installation sector on the domestic side in the ROI.

Quite what the difference is between the qualifications, I have no idea, but one would have expected some collaboration between those who were involved in creating the NVQ L3 and the 2346 in the U.K. and Safe Electric representing our nearest European neighbour. 
Meanwhile, I have quite a few lads who recently gained their 2346, AM2E and the obligatory city and guilds qualification for inspection and testing in ROI who can only sit on the sidelines while the lads in the ROI fill their boots!

  • 0 in reply to Sparkingchip

    The plus side wins it then sparkingchip - good call sir, i like to see someone who get these priorities right

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    The last job I did before Christmas was in Swansea, if it had been on the English side of the border I would not do a Part P notification, but as it’s on the Welsh side I will.

    Doing the Part P notification isn’t of any great consequence, it does add an additional level of accountability. But it is the reason I was asked to go, the firm needed someone who would turn up, do the job and the paperwork at short notice half way though the week before Christmas.

    On the plus side it also meant I could pick up a crate of beer for Christmas from the brewery around the back of Raglan Castle on the way home and there wasn’t any Customs fees or tariffs to pay when I brought it back over the border.

  • 0 in reply to Sparkingchip

    I admire the breadth of your "local" patch. Personally I grumble going far "off-site" for a day ;-)  But joking aside, would you consider that you  really see it as necessary or  useful to have to remember and to abide by multiple sets of fractionally different  rules depending where you go, or is it just a pain ?

    I'd like to think the quality of work done and general approach is set by the nature of the task, not  a specific approved body membership, or even  a mandated  set of regs of specific date, or worse still the whim of some political type in a  devolved govt or whoever ?

    Mike.

  • 0 in reply to Sparkingchip

    I agree  with Mike here. But I do think that the more rules there are, the more expensive it becomes as layer upon layer of useless ill-conceived nonsense is continuously heaped upon the shoulders of the little man at the bottom of the inverse pyramid. We need fewer but clearer rules if we need any at all.

    More rules mean more unproductive non-jobs for the otherwise unemployable at the expense of the Little Man at the bottom of the pile.

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    The situation is only going to get worse and that’s going to happen very rapidly if this current UK Government is allowed to trash all the laws and regulations of “EU origin” we have are trashed, completely ignoring the fact that we were part of the legislative body that created them in the first place.

    I’m of the “Auf Weidersen” generation, I didn’t go to Germany to work but got very close to doing so, as many guys I still work with did, many others went to Australia and took their families, qualification recognition was never an issue in the 80’s and 80’s, only any job here in the U.K. or abroad you would get a start and the foreman would check it at morning break time to decide if you were staying or going, though I remember a few guys never made it past twenty past eight in the morning.

    Over the last five years I have covered England and Wales for three bathroom companies, even that means I have worked under two different Part P regimes, the UK Government and Welsh Government cannot even agree to match legislation, all these problems are home grown not due to the EU.

    My Google maps timeline shows I have down the equivalent of covering the whole of the Island of Ireland, but work wise it also shows that as an electrician I have had to abide by different rules depending on where I was.

  • 0 in reply to whjohnson

    The real question should be do the ROI and NI have more or less electrocutions, or electrcally started fires, than a) each other b) England Scotland or Wales?
    The rest is so much grandstanding, and  Brexit is not really part of it, apart from perhaps making folk who need to follow 2  sets of rules poorer - you could just as eaily argue that the C and G qualifications or even BS7671, are an unreasonable barrier.

    Mike

  • 0 in reply to whjohnson
    whjohnson said:
    which we all know are protectionist at worst, and corrupt at best.

    Please don't assume to speak for all of us. I strongly disagree with your assertion.

  • 0 in reply to Chris Pearson

    NI for all intents and purposes has to still abide by eu rules, which we all know are protectionist at worst, and corrupt at best.

  • 0 in reply to whjohnson
    whjohnson said:
    Very EU-friendly so no surprise there.

    I beg to differ. The EU has a pretty detailed system for mutual recognition of qualifications. If ROI does not accept British qualifications, presumably it is a result of Brexit.

  • 0 in reply to lyledunn

    I think it sounds like a protectionist over-bureaucratic process driven by money and  not the best interests of the industry. Very EU-friendly so no surprise there.

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