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Star/Delta Isolation Tx For shore supplies

Kieron Evans

Hi All,

First post so take it easy!

We have a requirement to design an installation using a star/delta isolation transformer to feed shore supply sockets to power and charge new tram/trains (Believe first of their kind in the UK). I am trying to get an understanding of the implications, and what we need to consider in the design as this Tx will be installed within the building supplied from the buildings existing LV system. The trains on board converter has a DC link to ground which could cause earth leakage hence the request for a Star Delta Tx to prevent tripping of the buildings LV supply.  

From my understanding we will need to install insulation monitoring for first fault conditions and on 2nd fault condition will isolate the circuit (An IT System). The train does not require a neutral or CPC (But will we need a CPC to comply with BS7671? If so how does this connect to a delta winding?).  But where I am getting confused is the earthing side of things. Everything within the building including the rails the trains sits on, is bonded back to the building MET. Is there a risk of different potentials within the area? or because they are bonded back to the building MET they will remain at the same potential as this system supplies the Isolation Tx? I may be over thinking this but have never come across this before so eager to educate myself.

 

Thanks

K

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    The train does not require a neutral or CPC (But will we need a CPC to comply with BS7671? If so how does this connect to a delta winding?).

    I thought star/delta transformers were normally the other way around - delta on the primary and star on the secondary (at least that's how I understand the DNOs do it). Any wayward earth leakage on the secondary side returns to the secondary star point and so doesn't affect the upstream installation.

    +1 for checking whether BS 7671 is relevant. "Railway traction equipment" is specifically excluded (110.2 (ii)) - but whether a supply used to charge a battery which is then used (at a different moment in time) for traction, does or does not come under that heading,  is I suspect not clear (I can't imagine it was the sort of thing that would have been considered when the words were originally written). That said, the underlying physics and most of the safety principles will be the same regardless of which standard it falls under.

       - Andy.

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    The train does not require a neutral or CPC (But will we need a CPC to comply with BS7671? If so how does this connect to a delta winding?).

    I thought star/delta transformers were normally the other way around - delta on the primary and star on the secondary (at least that's how I understand the DNOs do it). Any wayward earth leakage on the secondary side returns to the secondary star point and so doesn't affect the upstream installation.

    +1 for checking whether BS 7671 is relevant. "Railway traction equipment" is specifically excluded (110.2 (ii)) - but whether a supply used to charge a battery which is then used (at a different moment in time) for traction, does or does not come under that heading,  is I suspect not clear (I can't imagine it was the sort of thing that would have been considered when the words were originally written). That said, the underlying physics and most of the safety principles will be the same regardless of which standard it falls under.

       - Andy.

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    please forgive a daft question here. all stray currents must return to their source, so any stray DC should return to the AC/DC converter rather than to the AC source. if the AC/DC converter isolates the DC from the AC, then will there be any stray currents on the AC side (other than the nuisance currents through the earth that we see with all traction)?

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