Cable size of tails supplying a CU

I have a temporary CU board setup for rewires etc. (CU, isolator, 25mm tails, earth block, socket outlets) that I want to make smaller (and also want to know theses answers anyway).

If I made a new temporary CU board setup with a mains isolator to 4mm T&E tails, to single module 32A RCBO, to 4mm T&E final circuit cable, to a socket outlet or two, do you think the 4mm tails would be compliant?

Overload protection - The 4mm tails (and reduction in CCC) are protected from overload by the 32A RCBO and design current of 32A of the socket circuit.

Fault protection - Lets say most common main fuse in domestic is 100A (worst case) BS 1361 / BS 88-3 which has a max Zs of 0.27 ohms to achieve a 5 second disconnection time for a distribution circuit on a TN system (0.14 ohms for 0.4 seconds). So if the Zs is <0.27 it's OK.

Main (tails) earth size would need to be the same as the line conductor (4mm) to comply with table 54.7.

Or use the adiabatic equation (amusing a Zs of less than 0.27 ohms):

S =
√ I2 x t
/ k

Where:

Zs = 0.27 ohms
I (fault current) = 851A (230 / 0.27)
t = 1s (850A on BS 88-3 time current graph)
k = 115 (70* thermoplastic) or 143 if separate cable

√ 851 x 851 x 1 = 851
851 / 115 = 7.4mm2
or 851 / 143 = 5.9mm2 (if separate cable)

So 4mm supply tails with 4mm earth using table 54.7 would be adequate? Am I missing anything? Thanks.

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  • a Zs of less than 0.27 ohms again to comply with the 100A BS 1361 / 88-3 fuse's max Zs chart

    Rather a lot less than 0.27Ω - my old copy of the OSG (which is probably missing Cmin etc) suggests max 0.15Ω for 6.0mm²  (or 0.22Ω for 10mm²) for a 100A BS 1361 fuse - in these cases disconnection times have to be a lot shorter than 5s to protect the conductors (or rather their insulation).

        - Andy.

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  • a Zs of less than 0.27 ohms again to comply with the 100A BS 1361 / 88-3 fuse's max Zs chart

    Rather a lot less than 0.27Ω - my old copy of the OSG (which is probably missing Cmin etc) suggests max 0.15Ω for 6.0mm²  (or 0.22Ω for 10mm²) for a 100A BS 1361 fuse - in these cases disconnection times have to be a lot shorter than 5s to protect the conductors (or rather their insulation).

        - Andy.

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  • for a 100A BS 1361 fuse

    That's a further consideration., because there's no direct read-across between BS 1361 and BS 88-3 fuses - the latter are NOT a direct replacement.

    In reality, you'd need to check adiabatic for both, as existing service heads may well have BS 1361 fuses in them ... they are still available, even though the standard is withdrawn !

    Have a look at a similar plot against a BS 1361 set of curves (from BS 7671:2001+A2:2004):

    which is probably missing Cmin etc

    Certainly, values published back in 2004 would be missing both Cmin and the change of nominal voltage U0 from 240 V to 230 V ... so, for a 100 A fuse, 0.4 s disconnection time, Z41(2004) = 0.20 Ω, whereas Z41(2022) = 0.18 Ω

    The values of max measured earth fault loop impedance Zs(m) (which is lower than the loop impedance we've been talking about for design, at 70 deg C, or Z41 as it's termed in the guidance as it's related usually to tables in Chapter 41) that were in Andy's post have therefore also dropped now ... OSG (2022) and GN3 (2022) still quote Zs(m) for BS 1361 fuses.

    Those values are now Table B5 in 2022 OSG:  0.13 Ω (100  A BS 1361 fuse and 6 mm2) and 0.20 Ω (100 A BS 1361 fuse and 10 mm2)
    Compare with Table B4 in 2022  OSG: 0.16 Ω (100  A BS 88-3 fuse and 6 mm2) and 0.26 Ω (100 A BS 88-3 fuse and 10 mm2)


    I think I'd be designing for BS 1361 as this would be the more onerous requirement (at least for 100 A ... although this does not read across in the same way for other values) as Andy says