Cable size of tails supplying a CU

I have a temporary CU board setup for rewires etc. (CU, isolator, 25mm tails, earth block, socket outlets) that I want to make smaller (and also want to know theses answers anyway).

If I made a new temporary CU board setup with a mains isolator to 4mm T&E tails, to single module 32A RCBO, to 4mm T&E final circuit cable, to a socket outlet or two, do you think the 4mm tails would be compliant?

Overload protection - The 4mm tails (and reduction in CCC) are protected from overload by the 32A RCBO and design current of 32A of the socket circuit.

Fault protection - Lets say most common main fuse in domestic is 100A (worst case) BS 1361 / BS 88-3 which has a max Zs of 0.27 ohms to achieve a 5 second disconnection time for a distribution circuit on a TN system (0.14 ohms for 0.4 seconds). So if the Zs is <0.27 it's OK.

Main (tails) earth size would need to be the same as the line conductor (4mm) to comply with table 54.7.

Or use the adiabatic equation (amusing a Zs of less than 0.27 ohms):

S =
√ I2 x t
/ k

Where:

Zs = 0.27 ohms
I (fault current) = 851A (230 / 0.27)
t = 1s (850A on BS 88-3 time current graph)
k = 115 (70* thermoplastic) or 143 if separate cable

√ 851 x 851 x 1 = 851
851 / 115 = 7.4mm2
or 851 / 143 = 5.9mm2 (if separate cable)

So 4mm supply tails with 4mm earth using table 54.7 would be adequate? Am I missing anything? Thanks.

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  • That's using table 54.7 instead, but yeah the calculation says bigger

    It's not just for the c.p.c. - since you can't presume the upstream protective device will always protect the line/neutral conductors either you need to apply what's effectively the same calculation for them too (434.5.2).

       - Andy.

  • OK yes so amusing a Zs of less than 0.27 ohms again to comply with the 100A BS 1361 / 88-3 fuse's max Zs chart, and a k of 143 for double insulated tails for example, the L&N tails minimum CSA would be 5.9mm2 to comply with the adiabatic equation. So 6mm earth (separate), 6mm L&N double insulated, Zs of less than 0.27 ohms, overcurrent protection of tails provided by 32A RCBO due to the allowance of PD being anywhere on cable length if less than 3m etc. I'm getting there now. For the 100A fuse to provide the tails overload protection I would need 25mm tails rated at 114A method C.

  • a k of 143 for double insulated tails for example

    I don't think I agree with a k of 143 for the tails themselves? Current-carrying conductors, will always be hotter than ambient temperature because current is flowing down them ? Our standard designs in BS 7671 assume ambient temperature of 30 degrees C.

    Table 54.2 can only apply to a protective conductor, which is a suitable distance from any live conductors. You need Table 43.1 for k for the live conductors.

    I understand in this case the tails are likely to be well under-loaded, so you could use a  different value of k, but that would have to be calculated in accordance with BS 7454 as per Note 2 to Table 43.1 ... and could not be as high as 143 (which would assume conductor starting temperature of 30 degrees, which would be no current flowing at all). Which implies a csa of  at least 10 sq mm.

  • Great thanks for pointing that out

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