The 827 I presume ?

https://www.bgelectrical.uk/wiring-devices/moulded/round-pin-export-socket-outlets

Not as liberal as some designs,  and shuttered. Looks not too bad at first glance.  Should always be behind a 16A or smaller breaker or fuse.

BS1363-2 6.1 the rated current of all socket-outlets shall be 13A

Not that is a major issue but surely that prevents it being to BS1363?

Also how does it work with US stuff?

According to the data sheet the "universal" one is 13A rated... "13 Amp 250V~ (827, 827L products )"

   - Andy.

The  kit with a  US  plug has to be universal voltage, or it goes bang. Luckily most laptops, phone chargers, shavers and so on are nowadays.

In the past when I have fitted trick sockets I have also fitted a local fused spur style isolator, and nowadays it would be an RCD one, in a twin box along side.

and labelled it very carefully as   ! Caution 230V !

Note that this model does not actually cover the most likely visitor, the European where a 'schucko'

would perhaps be more useful, and would actually earth properly. In these BG ones they fit and energise but do not connect to the earth - not a great situation.

Mike

The data sheet has no mention of BS1363-2, and the diagram for 827 has more earth pin holes

mapj1 said:

The 827 I presume ?

Says 'export only' on the link posted.

Possibly because, as discussed in another recent thread, the UK Plugs and Sockets (Safety) Regulations have prohibitions on the supply of socket-outlets for domestic and similar use in the UK.

Peter69 said:

I've been asked to make units and install a panel with universal mains sockets.

Is the panel for use in the UK? Other countries might permit the use of such outlets.

Might be worth taking some legal advice w.r.t. Plugs and Sockets (Safety) Regulations and this particular piece of work?

Yes, this is another customer wanting a different solution.
I'm trying to supply but sales want to supply it.
This will be used in Malta but I'm sure they use our wiring standards.
Also not sure how BG can sell it though they do list it as export only even if they sell it to the UK?!

There is no problem to make, buy or sell, any connectors  to another business or organization for commercial or industrial use, just not for domestic use check the legislation itself. (just as well really or you could not use the blue caravan site sockets or the yellow ones on building sites)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made

Malta has our wiring regs, at least on paper, but nothing quite like our plug and socket regulations. When I was lasat out there I saw a lot of stuff on sale with the thin Europlugs and a free plastic shutter lifter - probably OK on a 16A radial, less so on a ring..
The UK law is intended to force shops and market stalls to sell things like table lamps with a compliant13A plug on it,  when selling to to ordinary folk - the other interpretations are more of an unfortunate side effect of the wording. I'm not sure it was ever intended to catch  foreign style sockets for visiting equipment.
Mike

mapj1 said:

just not for domestic use

I think it's 'ordinarily intended for domestic use' which has a slightly different connotation - for example, perhaps including general-purpose use in offices, hotel rooms, etc?

I wouldn't like to go down the road of discussing the power supply a test laptop or similar being used in the outlet of a control panel, for example, because such devices are typically "domestic and similar" use ... but then again,  whilst I could use a ruggedised laptop for any purpose, is the primary purpose not for rough use in specific places of work - or other situations not similar to domestic use?

And therein lies the rub, as it were. The advice from the HSE are only slightly more clear..
https://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/internalops/ocs/400-499/oc489_6.htm

8 For the purposes of these Regulations an appliance ordinarily intended for domestic use is taken to mean one that is intended for private use at home.
So by that metric my home oscilloscope, clearly lab equipment, and my computer, clearly office equipment, would not need to comply, but my toaster and the indoor vacuum cleaner but maybe  not the karcher garage one, would fall into this category ;-) #

But none of this affects the legality of providing a socket for visitors who are neither importing nor selling their equipment to anyone... Nor indeed of supplying such a thing to a country without the UK plug and socket regulations.

It does however need to be safe, so shutters and sensible sized holes are still a good  idea.

There are some dire examples out there.

https://image.made-in-china.com/43f34j00rJolZdKPMLkp/Power-Electrical-Universal-Socket-with-Multi-Outlet.webp

Mike.