Use of PME not allowed, special locations

   Some Special locations won't allow PME to be used.which I understand.  However with  EV charging points. We can overcome the PEN fault by automatic disconnection of supply is described in 722.411.4.1(iii).

    So why can't we use the same logic in other locations. Where lost of supply doesn't  in danager life or property.

   

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  • Picking up on Mike's point:

    Also electrode-less PEN fault sensing  relies on detecting the L-N voltage going wild during the fault. It is not perfect - there will be a range of conditions where the earth voltage rise may be dangerous without the LN voltage going far enough out of limits to guarantee the fault being detected.

    There was a discussion here open-pen-detection-for-722-411-4-1-iv which attempted to illustrate the problem with these devices are used downstream of 3-phase systems - under certain conditions it can permit persistent touch voltages far in excess of the 50V that's normally the limit. On totally single phase systems (e.g. rural caravan site fed from a single phase pole transformer) the risks should be less but those installations are very often TT anyway.

       - Andy.

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  • Picking up on Mike's point:

    Also electrode-less PEN fault sensing  relies on detecting the L-N voltage going wild during the fault. It is not perfect - there will be a range of conditions where the earth voltage rise may be dangerous without the LN voltage going far enough out of limits to guarantee the fault being detected.

    There was a discussion here open-pen-detection-for-722-411-4-1-iv which attempted to illustrate the problem with these devices are used downstream of 3-phase systems - under certain conditions it can permit persistent touch voltages far in excess of the 50V that's normally the limit. On totally single phase systems (e.g. rural caravan site fed from a single phase pole transformer) the risks should be less but those installations are very often TT anyway.

       - Andy.

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