I can’t be arsed, massive digression. I have asked you to help with how the IET is ruining the electrical contracting industry EAS yadda yadda. You have a big say in that committee and a chance to improve peoples lives who cant afford to upgrade to AM2 because they were qualified before 1986. Sort that first please.

 Kind regards Mark

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You have a big say in that committee and a chance to improve peoples lives who cant afford to upgrade to AM2 because they were qualified before 1986. Sort that first please.

Apologies, I do not participate personally in the EAS Committee. If you think I do, I apologise but you are mistaken.

If you can’t help it is not a problem

Firstly let me declare my interest. I have been a member of the IET since 1986. I am also a member of the IET Council. This is my personal view on the EAS scheme.

The IET are one of the Professional Engineering Institutions (PEI) governed by a Royal Charter.

The IET does not write the EAS document but does attend the EAS meetings. The IET does not, and would not, seek to restrict the electrical installation industry in order to make money.

You may wish to note that the EAS document does not recognize IET members being qualified or competent to be QSs.

The IETs stated policy is for individual competence and supports Dame Judith Hacketts stated view on individual competence.

The competent person schemes are not individual competence schemes and do not register register individuals, only enterprises. The competent persons schemes, and their emanations, write the EAS document.

The new Building Safety Regulator is a department inside the Health and Safety Executive. The BSR now regulates the competent person schemes. If you wish to complain about the EAS scheme you should write to the Building Safety Regulator.

In respect of CPD the IET requires it's members to do CPD each year and to submit annually a record of CPD undertaken. I submitted mine last month.

I hope this clarifies  the misunderstanding about the EAS document?

JP

Thank you John where can I find the EAS document out side of the IET website please.

and agreed it is for enterprises but does set out competency requirements for individuals wanting to be QS. 

I qualified early 1980's pre AM2.

I served an indentured apprenticeship with the then North Western Electricity Board (NORWEB). It was wonderful and the Daniel training ctr at Chorley enabled a full spectrum of skills to be developed.

Now close to 40 years ago and I do not have the 'letter' I am told I would have been given (and vaguely recall).

NORWEB (Electricity North West as they now are) have confirmed they have destroyed all records from that time. I have the 2361 and the 2362 and over the years have kept 'up to-date' having currently the 2382 -22 and the 2391-52. March 2024 I am sitting the 2396

I am grateful to City & Guilds for retaining such records and issuing duplicate certificates.

I am 59 years old and currently despite a wealth of experience and knowledge I cannot work on certain sites because the EAS  'Computer says NO' and so no certification.

C & G have confirmed that the 2362 did include end point assessments and would only have been sat as part of an indentured apprenticeship. NORWEB have confirmed the qualifcation would have without doubt been part of an indentured apprenticeship.

No fast track pay it yourself scheme back then - thankfully - and as such the quality came through that a full apprenticeship bestowed.

I have asked for this to be looked at on its merits against the facts known all without reply.

It was a different system back then so much so, out of interest in the response, I have asked EAS to confirm what 'completed proof of apprenticeship would have been' A diploma they say... Electricity North West Training academy say NO, it would have been a letter. Admin error somewhere because of a different world simply not understood.

Who would have thought as a young man starting on a journey that a letter would be needed some 40 years on to prove what then all knew.

I have completed an apprenticeship,  I have the level 3 qualifications and look to keep them updated. Yet I cannot still work on many sites because I cannot receive an accreditation. The system cannot have been set up for that end as such it is flawed and needs urgent review.

Yes I see the need for CPD, Damn I spend most days looking to learn something new in my field, and that is more than watch a video and claim a point of CPD! Yet I will not deny and state I did not serve an apprenticeship as ECS have requested me to do in order to make it easier for their admin system to process my application!

It has cost me work. It is truly upsetting and frustrating been cast aside like this, maybe I should settle into design and then see if I can walk on site to verify!

I guess this issue will in 10 years or so resolve itself as those folk who were are no more. That would seem to be how the system is working

Did you have a JIB Gold card back in the day? If so the JIB can dig back through their records and will re-issue it. 

JP

Thanks for the reply John it is appreciated.

I guess you don't need one until you need one and without proof of apprenticeship by way of letter issued at the time etc I cannot get one. 

The frustration is the acknowledgement by all that the qualification MUST have been with an indentured apprenticeship yet ECS and such need to see proof of that apprenticeship... even though they say there would have been an apprenticeship. And so the circle goes. 

When I first contacted Electricity North West it was under the belief they would be able to provide a statement I did not know they had lost all records. Like I said ECS and the other schemes will be able to put this all to bed in ~10 years from now

Depending on how old you are, if you were a JIB registered apprentice, your records can be retrieved and verified.

Thank you Steph.

After reading your post I have just searched and read the document below and the stages are familiar including the colour blindness test I did as part of the selection process

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.jib.org.uk/documents/publications/165-1983-joint-industry-board-training-scheme-for-electrical-installation-apprentice-craftsmen-and-technician.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi3utLu8vqBAxVhm1wKHY6pAGEQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1G_OmIgbuGe4RWtbyBK-uc

The document mentions a date from 1983 my apprenticeship started 1980 but it is hope as such I have emailed them