Access to BS7671

I often have need to access the plethora of BS documents that pertain to my area of work. I have the current versions of 5839, 5266 and a number of others that I refer to regularly. However, this morning I wanted to check something relating to a water mist suppression system but I don’t have access to the appropriate standard. I used to have access through one provider but that was a significant sum on an annual basis. All I needed was there, although, interestingly, BS7671 was not. Sometimes I just need a quick confirmation of some individual item in a standard that I don’t commonly use, no doubt like other professionals who will require access to BS7671 for something that would not warrant the purchase of the full standard. 
You will note that reference to other standards pervades 7671 itself. Wouldn’t it be healthy for the construction industry in general to have access to these standards without having to pay a fortune? Surely if we want competence to underpin the way we build and install, the way to do that would be to make appropriate information as freely available as possible. 
Perhaps some kind of pay per view might be reasonable.

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  • Hear hear.

    I am in much the same position.

    What I find quite frustrating is that it is not always clear whether a given standard actually has the data / specification / definition (etc) one is looking for before you’ve forked out for it.

    Some documents  are obviously worth buying either generally or for a specific project. But as a small consultancy investigative or speculative research is potentially an expensive endeavour and therefore rare, despite the potential benefits. There used to be a library in the next county that had a BSI Online subscription but that’s now been stopped, and while I keep a wishlist of standards to look at in case I get enough spare time on a trip to London to swing by Savoy Place, there’s a large amount of difference between a quick flick through a document at my desk to find support or guidance on a particular question to dedicating a day to journeying to London to look something up.

    I for one think I’d spend more on standards were each one cheaper and less of a gamble.

    Personally I would go further and suggest that it would be a good move for the UK government to enable easy and free access to British Standards for citizens. BSI group turned over <£700M in 2022 and around half of that was “cost of sales”, so it needn’t be a massive burden yet the benefits in terms of improved quality / avoided costs and also competitiveness would be tangible.

    Sone local councils’ libraries appear to already do this so I don’t think it’s too much to ask! Quick Googling suggests Libraries NI managed for a brief spell after the Royal Society of Ulster Architects lobbied for it… perhaps the IET could push for all of us?

  • It might be worth seeing how the Incorporated by Reference push with the American National Standards Institute develops as a view to the art of the possible.

    The argument that has driven this is that standards that are referred to in law (currently only US Federal law, not state) are supposed to be readily accessible to all  citizens affected by them (you cannot have concealed laws.) so

    "These standards incorporated by the U.S. government in rulemakings are offered at no cost in “read only” format and are presented for online reading. There are no print or download options."

    https://ibr.ansi.org/Standards/Default.aspx There is a special viewing software to download, that is currently not Linux compatible, so you do have to buy a copy of a well known operating system, but that is America after all.

    It is quite a  new thing, and it will be interesting to see if it either improves compliance to regulations in the US or bankrupts ANSI, both of which outcomes have been loudly predicted.

    On the other hand ETSI has been publishing open communication standards for years.

    Mike.

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  • It might be worth seeing how the Incorporated by Reference push with the American National Standards Institute develops as a view to the art of the possible.

    The argument that has driven this is that standards that are referred to in law (currently only US Federal law, not state) are supposed to be readily accessible to all  citizens affected by them (you cannot have concealed laws.) so

    "These standards incorporated by the U.S. government in rulemakings are offered at no cost in “read only” format and are presented for online reading. There are no print or download options."

    https://ibr.ansi.org/Standards/Default.aspx There is a special viewing software to download, that is currently not Linux compatible, so you do have to buy a copy of a well known operating system, but that is America after all.

    It is quite a  new thing, and it will be interesting to see if it either improves compliance to regulations in the US or bankrupts ANSI, both of which outcomes have been loudly predicted.

    On the other hand ETSI has been publishing open communication standards for years.

    Mike.

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