Are you a real electrician or just a domestic one?

With the new domestic electrician grade ECS card now available and achievable through the normal apprenticeship route or via the experienced worker option, it may be a question that might be asked by some enthusiastic site gate keeper.

From my experience as an erstwhile contractor and as a part-time tutor in the electrical installation sector (now in year 31), I often found the guys coming from the general domestic side as being reasonably well switched on, particularly on the regulatory front. But confined to the domestic sector, operative experience in three-phase installations and wiring systems such as steel conduit is likely to be absent or minimal at best. Way back when I was a general electrical contractor, I used the guys as was appropriate, Sean was as neat and tidy as they come and speedy with it, but his abilities were twin and earth, sockets, switches and beautifully dressed consumer units. Kevin, on the other hand, was the motor man, any call we got about motors, Kevin was the man to send. I had another 18 chaps of various capabilities and skills to allocate as efficiently as possible to our wide base of clients and job-types. 

However, whilst it wasn't common, when needs must, Sean and Kevin (and guys like them with different skill sets) could end up on the same job for long periods. Had some gate keeper or competence bean counter prevented me from using Sean's skills on a commercial or industrial job, it would have have de-railed my ability to run an efficient business. 

Maybe it would be better to have an accreditation like a NVQ L3 to acknowledge competence in a basic skill set rather than to have two separate camps on the installation side. Interestingly, the domestic qualification is, in my opinion, more stretching.

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  • It's an interesting discussion.

    Certainly, the differentiators are

    • the application of Part P (England and Wales)
    • the relevant devolved Building Regulations Technical Handbooks/ACOPs
    • Fire safety requirements (also subject to differences in the devolved nations)

    as they apply differently to domestic vs commercial/industrial.

    Going forward, I see further differentiators with systems like Solar PV, battery storage, EV charging, etc - commercial and industrial being a different kettle of fish.

    But I do see your points regarding common ground.

  • Going forward, I see further differentiators with systems like Solar PV, battery storage, EV charging, etc - commercial and industrial being a different kettle of fish.

    Agreed. Even then, your average "domestic" (makes me think of cooks, butlers, and parlour maids, etc.) would need to undertake some sort of course for the additional skills. I might add fire alarms to Graham's list, at least for larger properties.

    operative experience in three-phase installations and wiring systems such as steel conduit is likely to be absent or minimal at best

    Yes, but neither is particularly difficult. Compared with plumbing, conduit doesn't even have to be leak-proof.

    I would suggest that the  real dividing line is at the main fuse. ≤ 100 A or > 100 A.

  • the dividing line is at the main fuse. ≤ 100 A or > 100 A

    except perhaps the larger domestic properties or smaller commercial ones.... and anyway what changes about the wiring to the lights (or 13A sockets) when the main supply is bigger?  (unless you are actually working on the incoming main or sub-main itself of course.) As far as I can see it is more likely that domestic has fewer sub-mains and less layers of distribution where one board feeds another,  and maybe that the main room with the incomer in is more likely to be locked in commercial so you have to wait for the keyholder, but you can charge more... but actually in a block of domestic flats even that is not always true.

    Equally it is not always true to say that there is no T and  E in commercial. 

    There are specific domestic hazards, such as pets, children and heavy furniture when in occupied houses, but they are not really part of the electrical installation.

    This distinction seems to me more like a slightly arbitrary  wedge to drive between otherwise similar folk, to allow more money to be extracted for qualifications if folk want to keep a hand in both areas.

    Which I think was the point of the original post..

    Mike

  • and anyway what changes about the wiring to the lights (or 13A sockets) when the main supply is bigger?

    Part L is different, and the actual, "protocols" also ... both affect the wiring ... potentially ..even when we go "SMART" (i.e. DALI or equivalent vs HBES .... Alexa, Google Home etc. compatible)

  • That may be true, and the ceilings are higher as well, but is competence in setting up Alexa controls for example actually guaranteed by having  the domestic card in question ?

    M.

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  • That may be true, and the ceilings are higher as well, but is competence in setting up Alexa controls for example actually guaranteed by having  the domestic card in question ?

    M.

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