Experienced worker even more difficult

The underpinning knowledge element of the experienced worker qualification must now be formally ratified by a recognised qualification prior to candidate registration. TESP list the acceptable qualifications on their website. 
Hitherto, the assessor would need to have been satisfied that the candidate had the necessary theoretical knowledge to carry out the task correctly and safely. Now it is back to school for all those chaps who don’t have one of the qualifications listed!

I have over 30 candidates on the slipway, most have no formal qualifications. Having interviewed all and because I would know most of them and their employers, I would have been content to acknowledge their standing as competent electricians without further ado. However, each produces a comprehensive portfolio of solid evidence to meet all performance objectives, undertakes a technical interview, achieves at least the 2391 initial verification and 18th Edition qualifications and is required to pass the AM2E. 
That’s a lot of hoops for someone who is already working as an electrician and has been doing so consistently for at least five years post apprenticeship! 
For those first class experienced electricians who are without the formal qualifications and want to get the ESC/JIB card, for whatever reason, life just got harder!

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  • Of course this only applies to new people who want to be QSs. It does not apply to existing QSs or electricians who carry out installation work.I wonder why that is?

    I have asked the question before why cant a professionally registered engineer holding a Level 3 qualification in the Wiring Regs. and a Level 3 qualification in inspection and testing with supervisory experience be a QS? 

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  • Of course this only applies to new people who want to be QSs. It does not apply to existing QSs or electricians who carry out installation work.I wonder why that is?

    I have asked the question before why cant a professionally registered engineer holding a Level 3 qualification in the Wiring Regs. and a Level 3 qualification in inspection and testing with supervisory experience be a QS? 

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  • It also applies to people that would like to get a JIB Gold card. 

    Back in 2000, the industry said to all of us, who were working in the industry, with no qualifications, and - as in my case - was too old to do an apprenticeship (23 years old) as I had rent etc to pay..........here is a route into the industry, so that you CAN be recognised as qualified.....I subsequently did the C&G2360 until college, and my employers both said, "That's it, you are now qualified" and a couple of years later went on to do my inspection and testing, and 5 years later on I became the QS.  

    Then, at some point in time, everyone got on to this "short cut" to being qualified and eventually the industry said, NO. Those guys that have used this route to getting qualified, are just not good enough.........hence why this AM2E business has been created.

    Essentially this AM2E business - its a short cut into the industry so as to avoid an apprenticeship. The same as the G&G2360. 

    An apprentice who is less than 20 maybe, an apprenticeship, is do-able as the wages are usually very low and they still have the support of Mum and Dad.

    MOST adults who come into the industry after, say, 20 - cant afford to do an apprenticeship.  No chance. So everyone will look to this AM2E route. 

    For clarity, in 2019 - I've done the AM2E route; However I fear that the AM2E route, given time, will go the same way as the G&G2360 and subsequent variations of the same qualification. 

    I think most adults, with some minimal site work experience, perhaps even only experience on houses of friends, plus level 1&2 - can blag weather they've been "in" the industry for 5 years. With no real idea of what I'm talking about, just guessing, Dare I say, most of the guys on the AM2E route probably can say they've just not done containment, or MEWPs or 3 phase....? But can get a picture, and do a write up, and stumble through the practical test, which was fairly easy, especially if someone teaches you to follow a wiring diagram. 

    I hope this AM2E lasts the test of time.

    John - as far as my opinion goes - which not far - but you're more than capable of being QS for anyone; there needs to be a route for people clearly above and beyond capable to be a QS if they'd like to. 

    I'm guessing again - I think the NIC lot, probably made too many self employed, in the domestic sector primarily, well meaning people, into QS for a one man band or small group - who then went back into the employed world and tried sell their QS credentials to BIG companies, and that's a whole new world, completely unlike being responsible for yours or a couple of guys work.  The NIC had to do something when shouts of - "most of your guys can't even get a JIB Gold card" echoed across the board room table. Hence, why I suspect they've done what they've done and aligned the JIB criteria and the NICEIC criteria.

    To be clear - I am that guy - who maybe couldn't QS really big commercial jobs. I've been a QS for 15 years but look after 3 or 4 or 5 guys, less than 10 at my very best moments.