Should the humble EICR be improved?


Should the humble EICR be improved to include a tick box for a valid/in date FRA (Fire Risk Assessment) for blocks of flats for the communal area? This would be in line with The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005,

Some things to note might be
THE NATIONAL Fire Chiefs Council (NFCC) has published a position statement urging the Government to introduce more robust regulations




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  • An EICR includes a tick box for the provision of fire barriers, sealing etc. Should the information on the buildings fire strategy be ambiguous or absent, I advise on the EICR it is recommended that a fire safety report be obtained to complete the evaluation of all relevant fire safety requirements, as per Section 527. 

  • Sage advice. 

    Fire Safety Report may be better than FRA (Fire Risk Assessment)

  • Surely fire barriers and sealing on an EICR is a limitation. We have no idea what is hidden.

    Gary

  • Referring to situations where a known fire barrier situated above a ceiling for example appears to have been compromised with no subsequent resealing. So prior to this, it is essential to ascertain the division of the buildings fire compartments, if such divisions exist. The inspection will be documented as a representative example on the certificate.

  • Worse than that, in an older  building without access to plans an history, how do you know if what is there is supposed to be there, or is now redundant since a re-configuration - perhaps a change of use ?

    Or what is simply missing that ought to have been  there ?The position of the fire zone boundaries may well have moved since original construction. For example I work somewhere that now has far more fire doors than it needs, and has hose reel points where the hose has now been removed, once sprinklers were added. If one of the 'not needed' firedoors was changed for an ordinary one, that would not be an issue, but without the full history it would be hard to tell.

    At some point between actually becoming the fire risk assesor, and total denial of any responsibility for anything non-electrical, lies a limit of knowledge.

    Mike

  • One of the key aspects we inspect is the provision of fire barriers, sealing arrangements, and protection against thermal effects, as outlined in section 527. If during the inspection, this area is marked as ‘Limitation’ (LIM), it is essential to provide a clear explanation for this.

    For instance, if a comprehensive fire risk assessment is necessary to determine the adequacy of fire barriers and sealing arrangements, this should be noted in the report.The outcome of this assessment can then inform any required remedial actions to address the identified limitations

  • what is your approach to tackling this tick box on an EICR ?

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