DNO Residential Supply Main Cutout Fuses and Potential Fault Current (PFC)

There seems to be a lot of emphasis on recording the highest value of PFC being less than the protective devises can safely handle, but little or no reference to when the pfc might be too low to operate the device in the prescribed time. In fact, most installation and inspection certificates simple note the device manufacturers maximum safe fault current, giving the electrician an excuse perhaps to not even measure the pfc!

I’m long retired but investigating a potentially serious electrical fire for a friend, though fortunately, this time, no fatalities as it was confined to a detached intake cabinet well away from the building. Which brings me to another point, the ESQC Regulations stress reporting an incident to the Secretary of State if any fatalities, but no such requirement if none (this time!). Sadly, a missed opportunity perhaps to reduce the risk of similar failures causing fatalities in future.

Anyway, for now, back to the pfc issue: In their case they had very recently had a 3 phase upgrade to their large property, with DNO 100amp cutout fuses (BS1361 or similar). The supply service cable serves several properties, with theirs being near the end of the supply service cable. Both the calculated pfc and measured value indicate around half the pfc required to operate the cutout fuses in the prescribed time, and in the event, persisted in the fault mode (apparently faulty meter or loose meter connection) for perhaps in excess of 15 minutes, further aiding the developing fire. Currently, their loads are all single phase and shared across the 3 phases, with ample capacity for future load additions.

So 2 questions if I may, one around the related ESQC regulations notification issue, and one about no obvious provision for recording a measured value of pfc on certificates, and no obvious requirement on the certificate to act accordingly when the measured pfc is too low.

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  • persisted in the fault mode (apparently faulty meter or loose meter connection) for perhaps in excess of 15 minutes, further aiding the developing fire. Currently, their loads are all single phase and shared across the 3 phases, with ample capacity for future load additions.

    This is not usually in the scope of BS 7671, being distributor's equipment ?

    Both the calculated pfc and measured value indicate around half the pfc required to operate the cutout fuses in the prescribed time, and in the event, persisted in the fault mode (apparently faulty meter or loose meter connection) for perhaps in excess of 15 minutes, further aiding the developing fire. Currently, their loads are all single phase and shared across the 3 phases, with ample capacity for future load additions.

    Operate in the required time for what? The DNO will not guarantee operation of their protective device for protection against electric shock, or thermal effects, in accordance with BS 7671.

    A poor meter connection, or damaged meter, is not really the type of fault that BS 7671 is intended to address, as it's not really 'overcurrent' (fault or overload) or 'fault protection'.

  • By the "prescribed time," I meant the 5 seconds stipulated in the ESQC regulations (and BS7671).

  • By the "prescribed time," I meant the 5 seconds stipulated in the ESQC regulations

    Does ESQCR require 5 seconds disconnection time?


    (and BS7671).

    The distributor's cutout is outside the installation, and therefore can't be used for protection against electric shock ? In a TT system, it definitely won't provide that function.

  • Just because it is outwith BS7671, it does not mean that the DNO installation is not required to be safe and to disconnect in the event of overloads and short circuits, at least up to the point of connection of the consumer equipment.  It would be reckless of a DNO to fit fuses that failed to blow before the meter tails (or street supply cable for that matter)   connected to it reached a dangerous temperature in the event of an L-N fault. (*)

    Agree that the earth may or  may not be a contractual obligation on the DNO - though then there should be an earth fault relay or a large RCD somewhere if it isn't and they should be able to clarify.

    (*)That time may be more than 5 seconds, but I'd be surprised if it was much more, as otherwise there will be problems of exceeding the volt drop permitted by 230V +/- 10% at full load.
    Mike.

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  • Just because it is outwith BS7671, it does not mean that the DNO installation is not required to be safe and to disconnect in the event of overloads and short circuits, at least up to the point of connection of the consumer equipment.  It would be reckless of a DNO to fit fuses that failed to blow before the meter tails (or street supply cable for that matter)   connected to it reached a dangerous temperature in the event of an L-N fault. (*)

    Agree that the earth may or  may not be a contractual obligation on the DNO - though then there should be an earth fault relay or a large RCD somewhere if it isn't and they should be able to clarify.

    (*)That time may be more than 5 seconds, but I'd be surprised if it was much more, as otherwise there will be problems of exceeding the volt drop permitted by 230V +/- 10% at full load.
    Mike.

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