DNO Residential Supply Main Cutout Fuses and Potential Fault Current (PFC)

There seems to be a lot of emphasis on recording the highest value of PFC being less than the protective devises can safely handle, but little or no reference to when the pfc might be too low to operate the device in the prescribed time. In fact, most installation and inspection certificates simple note the device manufacturers maximum safe fault current, giving the electrician an excuse perhaps to not even measure the pfc!

I’m long retired but investigating a potentially serious electrical fire for a friend, though fortunately, this time, no fatalities as it was confined to a detached intake cabinet well away from the building. Which brings me to another point, the ESQC Regulations stress reporting an incident to the Secretary of State if any fatalities, but no such requirement if none (this time!). Sadly, a missed opportunity perhaps to reduce the risk of similar failures causing fatalities in future.

Anyway, for now, back to the pfc issue: In their case they had very recently had a 3 phase upgrade to their large property, with DNO 100amp cutout fuses (BS1361 or similar). The supply service cable serves several properties, with theirs being near the end of the supply service cable. Both the calculated pfc and measured value indicate around half the pfc required to operate the cutout fuses in the prescribed time, and in the event, persisted in the fault mode (apparently faulty meter or loose meter connection) for perhaps in excess of 15 minutes, further aiding the developing fire. Currently, their loads are all single phase and shared across the 3 phases, with ample capacity for future load additions.

So 2 questions if I may, one around the related ESQC regulations notification issue, and one about no obvious provision for recording a measured value of pfc on certificates, and no obvious requirement on the certificate to act accordingly when the measured pfc is too low.

  • Sorry Andy, I can't answer that one as I've only been on site for about an hour, my last involvement being around 4 years ago when  I flagged out the supply voltage low limit being breach. I'm planning another visit once they get responses from the DNO and meter. owner. 

  • Why has the armour of the SWA been reinforced with the green and yellow please?

    What's the copper c.s.a. equivalent of the armour? and how does it compare with PME bonding requirements? (presuming there may be extraneous-conductive-parts in the main building.) (JP did do a nice table once, but I can't seem to lay my hands on it now...)

       - Andy.

  • Thanks Chris, and as for your other point, "Why has the armour of the SWA been reinforced with the green and yellow please?", sorry, I can't yet answer that one, but a good point.

  • My apologies concerning the two sets of fuses in series - I had forgotten that there was a significant run to the house, so even tthough it would be a race to see which fuse goes first, the switch-fuse is necessary.

    My point was hat the isolator is the consumer's tails is not, but if it was put there first, so be it.

  • Thanks again, I really must put the latest BS7671 on my reading list!

  • Thanks for that. and I presume that also connected to neutral too as appeared to be the case in the open trench? Time this "OldBoy" read the reg's again as my involvement mostly stopped at 17th edition! Retired now 15 years, and whilst specialist areas were controls and drives, out of interest, I did take the 2391 exam soon after retirement.

  • isolator in the reg's as distribution board was around 10 metres away,  ie, over 3 metres, though I've yet to double check BS7671 on this as personally, I'm happy with just the company isolator.

    This is correct, combination of BS 7671 limit on omission of overcurrent protection, and DNO's rules.

    Because the DNO cutout does not belong to the consumer, there is a limit as to what it can be used for.

  • , though at this stage, I'm not convinced that they removed an earth rod, installed when they moved to PME.

    BS 7671 now recommends an earth electrode is connected to MET in TN systems

  • I agree, and asked their electrician why he fitted the extra isolator (interlocked with door) when I first saw it, (the post fire one) particularly as it was all inside the main locked cabinet, and he said that it was due to the need for an isolator in the reg's as distribution board was around 10 metres away,  ie, over 3 metres, though I've yet to double check BS7671 on this as personally, I'm happy with just the company isolator.

  • Thanks Chris,I've only been on site once, just before recent holiday, long enough to take a few more photos to aid me knocking up a block schematic of the load side, for when I got home (last week). I've not yet seen inside the new cabinet (or the interlocked old one), but I asked him to fit the extra fuses (63amp BS88-3's) before I went away, really as a temporary safety measure, to minimise risk of a further fire whilst on holiday. So at the time of fire, it relied on the company fuses, and I agree, the phase to phase is apparently nearer likely nearer 800 amps as you say. I also hate the interlocked isolator, my pet hate when in industry, especially inside a locked cabinet. I'm still trying to find out what company fuse survived the fire, particularly as the neutral appears open circuit at that stage, and may well have livened up the isolator, but hopefully, the specialists on site post fire checked all that before touching it. For my only visit, so far, the installation was up and running again, but yet another interlocked door (plastic isolator this time), so I've not seen inside it yet as did not want to power off the household while they were offsite. I hope to get back later this week. Company fuses are 100 Amp.