Smart Meter Communication - or NOT? Part 3

Hello folks, I'm a retired MIET looking for some help about smart meter communication.  I'm not wanting to stir up the whole hornets' nest about smart meter suitability, but have some specific questions which I'm hoping some may be able to help with.

Having avoided these meters for years and years I've bought a house which had a dead gas meter.  The supplier had been billing the previous (also dead) owner with high estimated bills for months and months even though the house was empty while his family worked through the estate process.  The gas meter's battery had gone flat after about 7 years.  I got the supplier to replace the gas meter with some initial reluctance, and their contractor changed the electricity meter at the same time.  Both previous meters were SMETS1, the new ones marked SMETS2.  The replacement didn't seem to take long.

As you might expect when I'm asking about this, 6 months later the gas meter still isn't communicating with the supplier though the new electricity meter reports "smart readings" accurately.  Citizens' Advice's onlne smart-meter checker shows that the gas meter is installed but not commissioned.  All attempts to get the supplier to fix this have failed, and an investigation by the Energy Ombudsman shows that they haven't done anything at all in 6 months, either internally or with DCC.  They're offering a small payment for inconvenience but no guarantee that they will get DCC involved or that anyone will be able to fix this.  I'd really like to get this meter to work correctly or even get another new one fitted correctly.  I'm aged 75 and find it a real chore to get down to read the dim-light display outside, perhaps in the rain, or get my wife with mobility issues to hold the vertical meter cupboard door open while I try to photograph the display.  I've not signed a contract with the supplier until the problem is fixed, so am on a "deemed" contract with monthly bills though the gas ones are estimated (higher) until I send them corrected values.

I'm not an expert in this area but the distance between meters is only about 5 metres, in a small detached bungalow with the two meters on the same level, electric in the front porch, gas in a plastic box on an outside wall.  This is in a sizeable town in south-west Scotland with good mobile phone coverage from several companies and no big hills or nearby tall buildings.  My new broadband supplier also mentioned radar as a possible issue when discussing initially-low wifi speeds, but their follow-up with BT got speeds on both ethernet and wifi up to very high levels, once the fibre configuration had been corrected.  The nearest airport is about 5 miles away.

Curiously, my new next-door neighbour also found that his old gas meter was dead and had it replaced by the same supplier, perhaps surprisingly his new gas meter doesn't send smart readings for his usage either.

I hear from the Consumers' Association's recent survey of 10,000 members around the UK, that about 16% of users had various problems with their smart meters in the last year.  Some questions for this group, is this kind of problem localised by geography, eg are there any working smart gas meters in south-west Scotland at all?  Are there some suppliers with particular difficulties in operating their smart gas meters?  What does it take to get DCC to look into this, our present supplier has failed to contact them at all so far, is there a cost for them to do this?  I can understand a reluctance to send engineers out to every location on cost grounds but I'd have hoped that my inclusion on the supplier's Priority Service Register might count for something with some customers.

Could someone perhaps explain the "commissioning" process in more detail?  I've read on other uncertain forums that the gas meter may only be polled via the electricity meter ever hour or so, so that engineers are reluctant to wait around for successful registration to take place.

The Energy Ombudsman's decision though upholding my complaint, refers to there perhaps being "potential issues... part of a wider issue with smart meters within the energy industry".  Is there any public documentation of such a "wider issue" apart from the obvious cases of meters widely separated within blocks of flats, or with signal paths blocked by metalwork, tall buildings, radar etc, none of which apply to my location.

So, quite a lot of questions, but I hope someone can shed some light on some of these.   Thanks in advance,     Alan S   MIET (retd)

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  • Hi Alan,

    Can you share which model of both gas and electricity meters are installed? If your provider remains unwilling to help, there are a number of budget-friendly options out there to streamline that data right to your phone, tablet, or a “smart home dock” right in your kitchen. This would at least save you the trouble of going down to the service head every month, and would provide you with completely accurate usage statistics.

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  • Hi Alan,

    Can you share which model of both gas and electricity meters are installed? If your provider remains unwilling to help, there are a number of budget-friendly options out there to streamline that data right to your phone, tablet, or a “smart home dock” right in your kitchen. This would at least save you the trouble of going down to the service head every month, and would provide you with completely accurate usage statistics.

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  • Hi Chris,

    The gas meter's a Landis+Gyr G470 672, the electricity one a Landis+Gyr E470, the comms hub labelled EDMI CS010A-08-02.  As to whether my provider's remaining unwilling to help, the Energy Ombudsman "service" formally upheld a complaint last Monday, 6 months after this started, and today, Friday morning, a guy called me from the supplier's "smart meter department" just before I was due to go out.

    He got me to do some very simple button pushes at the gas meter and it connected to the HAN.  Not something I'd tried to do before but presumably not beyond a call centre's wit to describe how to check this.  Beyond that, he said he'd look into it from their end once there had been time for an hourly connection to take effect.  I had to go out this morning and asked him for an email update today on the results.  He has my email address because this was part of the "security" checks they do, and he did agree to email me.  Nothing appeared by this evening.  The in-kitchen display still shows only one fuel though it might need resetting.

    I'd read descriptions of streaming data to a phone or tablet, a smart home dock might be even better, but I don't really want to be spending money on this stuff, I just want the supplier to do what they say they'll do.  Anyway, I'll keep this thread updated on progress, and if you can point me to any devices to check on the service head without going out in the rain, that would be helpful.

  • Before Octopus gave me a Home Mini, the IHD would regularly "forget" that I had two meters - usually "fixed" by turning it off and on again. Luckily, the IHD has nothing to do with the readings that (should) get reported back to the supplier.

    A lot of the software used in devices like the IHDs is very low-quality. I think it's time that there was a legal requirement put on device manufacturers (for products containing software) to perform proper testing and to develop to a suitable engineering process (supported by a standard).

  • check on the service head without going out in the rain

    As I understand it, the meters are in cabinets on the exterior walls of the house, so if you want to see your pennies being spent, the wee display should work all right.

    That does not necessarily work if the intake is in an outbuilding.

  • Hi Alan,

    Streaming the data has become quite simple these days, and the Tx/Rx distance in phones is significantly better than what is built into your IHD if it’s one that was provided by the utility. You want to download an application called “Loop.” It’s free to use and gives you a much better idea of what your actual usage is, as well as saving you that dreaded trip when it’s pouring down and cold outside.

    Go to this website, scroll down to the bottom of the page, and click the image that says either android or apple, depending on your device platform: https://loop.homes/loop-smart-meter-app/

    You can create an account straight from the application. As you have an IHD, skip the part where it asks you to enter payment card details (they use this simply for address verification, there’s no fee) and instead elect to enter your meter details (GUID, etc). All of this information should be readily accessible in your IHD, saving you the trip outside. If you can’t manage to locate it in there, however, the details you need are all located right on the meter itself.

    Once you’ve linked up to both the gas and electric meters (you’ll have to do each one separately), you’re all set. Congrats, you now have a way to confirm your bills every month, challenge the utility, and tell them how crap their data concentrators are at bringing back your data — all without leaving the comfort of your lounge. Here’s an image of a couple of the interfaces.