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Schockets and power to shed using 2.5mm NYY-J

I need some advice about running power to flower beds and a shed using 2.5mm NYY-J cable and whether it complies with BS.

The cable will feed from the consumer unit using a 16A MCB to an outside connection box to feed both sides of plants (as diagram provided).

The cable size and MCB were chosen based my needs and the limited power to be drawnThe cable will not be buried but will run along the perimeter of my fence on top of a 20mm pipe (not plastic conduit) secured either with plastic or metal cable ties.

The pipe will secured the concrete fence posts150mm above the ground heavy-duty saddles.

Each bed will have a double socket IP only for LED.

The power to the shed be fed from second connection box to double socket.

I have posted this to an electrical forum, but people are discussing different things and not my specific question.

This is why tried the IET forum, so competent people/engineers can give me advice. If the above-mentioned setup sounds good or not, please reply.

Thank you advance.

  • Thank you for the information, I happily stand corrected.

  • Thank you for the information, I happily stand corrected.

    No problem, as I said, many domestic situations should not be a problem ... I've worked on many jobs in major infrastructure, though, where you need to be careful about accidentally exporting earth potentials from one place to another.

    Season's greetings and have a very Happy New Year.

  • Hello Mike, thank you for your response and all the others as well. Yes, the installation will remain as it is even if I decide to leave the house.

    I apologize, but I prioritize my needs, which is why I chose a 16A MCB and 2.5mm NYYY-J cable (which is a very tough cable) instead of considering others' needs. I am aware that I can use a 20A, but I had the 16A spare in my CU (although I can replace it for £3.5).

    People might want to use an external hot tub with a 4 KW heater or more. My installation will not be sufficient for this. They would need to upgrade to either 4mm or 6mm twin and earth, depending on the load.

    My requirements are LED lights, but I have changed my mind and will stick with the solar ones I have. I will use the sockets for a small power drill if needed for minor jobs and later possibly use a freezer in the new Keter plastic shed as shown in my diagram.

    All of my sockets are 13A, 2 gang, DP IP66 switched, and in a radial circuit. The galvanized pipes will be earth bonded with external earth clamps and 4mm earth cable if needed at corners for galvanized pipe and steel PVC flex conduit.

    The cable will run from the CU either 16A or 20A, which is RCD protected, to an external IP66 connection box and from there to the sockets as shown in the diagram.

    The galvanized pipe is only used to support the cable and above ground 150mm secured. You can see it on pic 1 & 2. The others are behind the flower beds.

    For fauna interactions and mechanical protection, I can install a 22mm PE-X pipe over the galvanized pipe to house the cable, or I can use 22mm or 25mm steel PVC flex conduit (earth bonded as well) where the cable is most exposed. What are your thoughts on this?

    Wishing you all the best, have a nice Christmass and New Year.

  • Hi Manos,

    Having it suit your needs, vs complying with the wiring regs, as it is becoming part of your installation, that is why some outdoor installations are glorified extention leads as they are outside of the regs and can just be unplugged when it comes to testing.

    As I have little experience on testing installations, I cant really comment on how they would judge it.

    Look at gkenyon' s comments around the bonding (he corrected my thoughts on the matter), as he mentions you wouldnt want to introduce  touch voltages and currents to something that would normally be ok.

    A steel flex would be more than enough mechanical protection.

    Have a nice Christmas and New Year.

    Mike

  • The galvanized pipe is only used to support the cable and above ground 150mm secured.

    So there is nothing inside the pipe? Why not join the corners properly (you can get right angle bends if you do not have access to a bender) and put singles inside it?

  • Nothing inside pipes only for support. I will get some steel flex and put cable inside for mechanical protection.

  • Thanks Mike for this

  • Personally, I wouldn’t be bothered with SWA if this was a job in my own house. NYY-J cable is easy to work and connect into plastic enclosures and is suitable for outside use. It is a robust cable and can be buried direct, albeit contrary to 7671 if without further appropriate mechanical protection.

    I have loads of it about my own garden. Shoved up a bit of 32mm waste pipe when I put it under the lawn.

    So does that comply? Well perhaps not with 522.8.10 of 7671, but it does with the same regulation in the Irish Standard. In the latter, the designer can make the determination on a suitable buried depth that would minimise the risk of mechanical damage. 

  • the designer can make the determination on a suitable buried depth that would minimise the risk of mechanical damage

    To be honest, a suitable depth of burial is what's required with SWA and cable in ducts in any case ... the difference in BS 7671 being that, if buried, the cable has to be "armoured" (or equivalent), or buried in a duct that provides "equivalent protection".

    When you look at what depth an underground duct is required to be, this can be affected by pressure exerted on the surface of the ground ... this can lead to depths of burial far in excess of the "general purposes" guidance in GN1 of 500 mm, or the 600 mm required by BS 7671 for agricultural (non-cultivated) land.