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Requirements for an electrical design & the EIC

Heera

Hi All

Just a quick question, is it a legal requirement the following section to be signed? The main contractor, sub-contracted a designer and the employed a installer, however hey signed all sections apart from the design section. I can't remember it being a legal requirement but the MC can sign it as a departure?

I/We being the person(s) responsible for the design of the electrical installation (as indicated by my/our signatures below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the design and additionally where this certificate applies to an add1t1on or alteration, the safety of the existing installation is not impaired, hereby CERTIFY that the design work for which I/we have been responsible is to the best of my/our knowledge and belief in accordance with BS 7671 :2018, amended to ….. except for the departures, if any, detailed .as follows:  

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Heera

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    Since a "certificate" is a statement of truth (when you sign it, you are vouching for the veracity of the statements made), it would not be correct for someone to sign for something they didn't do. In fact, if anything were to go wrong (civil claim, or someone is hurt and there's a criminal case) it could go badly in court for someone making a false certification statement.

    If the installation contains solar PV or battery storage, or other forms of generation, it is a legal requirement to apply BS 7671. If you have an agreement or contract that specified BS 7671, then BS 7671 is a requirement for the works.

    BS 7671 requires someone to take responsibility for the design, and sign the certificate, so if this is not done, it can be argued that verification of the installation does not fully conform to BS 7671, so, if BS 7671 is a requirement, there's possibly room for a claim.

    If one of the respondents signing the certificate is registered with a Competent Person Certification Scheme, like ECA, NICEIC or NAPIT, it might be worth asking their helpline for advice. This especially important if the works is notifiable under Part P of the Building Regulations, where I guess you'd want to check the work has been properly registered. I'm sure there are other cases where similar things happen, and the registration schemes probably have recommended way of dealing with it.

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    Since a "certificate" is a statement of truth (when you sign it, you are vouching for the veracity of the statements made), it would not be correct for someone to sign for something they didn't do. In fact, if anything were to go wrong (civil claim, or someone is hurt and there's a criminal case) it could go badly in court for someone making a false certification statement.

    If the installation contains solar PV or battery storage, or other forms of generation, it is a legal requirement to apply BS 7671. If you have an agreement or contract that specified BS 7671, then BS 7671 is a requirement for the works.

    BS 7671 requires someone to take responsibility for the design, and sign the certificate, so if this is not done, it can be argued that verification of the installation does not fully conform to BS 7671, so, if BS 7671 is a requirement, there's possibly room for a claim.

    If one of the respondents signing the certificate is registered with a Competent Person Certification Scheme, like ECA, NICEIC or NAPIT, it might be worth asking their helpline for advice. This especially important if the works is notifiable under Part P of the Building Regulations, where I guess you'd want to check the work has been properly registered. I'm sure there are other cases where similar things happen, and the registration schemes probably have recommended way of dealing with it.

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