HI All,Can some one explain the 9IN and 14IN on these please. Is not relating to 5 seconds and 0.4 by chance? I can not find any info on them. any help would be greatful.
HI All,Can some one explain the 9IN and 14IN on these please. Is not relating to 5 seconds and 0.4 by chance? I can not find any info on them. any help would be greatful.
Looks like the magnetic trip at 9–14 × In (900–1400A instantaneous trip)
HI, would 9 be for 5 second disconnection? I can calculate the The maximum disconnection then. That is what my thought is.
9 will be 0.01–0.1s. I would say more like x3 for 5 seconds disconnection, 0.66 ohms
The two lines with shading between represent the never trip (left of shade) and always trip (right of shade) curves of time vs current - and both get faster at higher current.
Any real in spec device could be anywhere in the shaded zone.
To be sure of a trip, you need a PSSC to the right of the shaded zone, at horizontal 5 sec mark. Given the highly non-linear y axis, I'd be very wary of using the image on the breaker itself there are nearly 3 orders of magnitude between 100ms and 700 seconds, if you really need to know, you need the makers data. Which could be awkward, as they have not been made for some time.
but if you must then the white dots are where 1 second, 5 seconds and 10 seconds would be, and the current multipliers on the RHS would be about 6 for ten seconds, 7 for 5 seconds and 9,5 for 1 second,
based on a simple log lin axes best fit (https://plotdigitizer.com/app) here be dragons, I;d not really trust anything based on measuring what is probably more of an artistic impression of the right curves than formal data.
coords from that curve fit overlay..
regards Mike
Thank you for your reply. I do see the issue of the image and its scaling off this picture. I was working on the 9IN for 5 seconds. If i used your 7 IN with 20% tolerance it puts me at 8.4 N. So I will stick with the 9IN and note it. Not much I can put on paper work.. I will say again many thanks for all your input.Its good to know there is help out here. I also take it 14 IN is 0.4 seconds. Although not required for the install its in.
Thanks for your reply.
Mark
Also How does the HI / LO setting effects it?
Would you know how the HI/Lo function works?
not for certain - these are to BS 4752 -1 which puts them between 1977 and about 1990, and well before datasheets on the internet, or datasheets at all in some case.
But later breakers from the same 'Federal' stable could be switched, or at least the slow acting thermal part could, between the nominal rating, in this case 100A, and something less, examples from the later ones were described as 80/100A or 25/30 amp - I suppose it meant they did not need to make as many models to cover the range.
Note that in the later ones, the fast acting magnetic part is not affected so if it is the same the 14 times 'In' that you need to exceed to guarantee a rapid trip is still 1400 Amps in either switch position.
I imagine this model might be similar - would it make sense in the circuit you are looking at ?
It is only an informed guess, not certainty, so be careful,
Mike.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
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