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Ai and 7671

lyledunn

When tutoring 2391, it is part of my role to encourage candidates to use 7671 and GN3 as much as possible. Those are the only printed documents permitted in the online exam. During practical training, the lads are encouraged to collaborate with each other and use said documents to check test results and design data. I note many just defer to their smart phone to access even rather obtuse data buried in the bowels of 7671. 
As much as an old timer like me likes his books, I think it is time that we acknowledge that smart phones will be the primary data source for most operatives. The exam bodies would do better to address the application of data rather than the simple ability to access it.

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    If standards were open, one might ask Ai for an answer directly from the relevant one. In any event, as I see it, those hanging on to books and electronic copies of same for identifying specific technical information for use by coal-face electricians are flogging a dead horse! It really doesnt matter if the answer comes with a caution. 

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    lyledunn said:
    If standards were open, one might ask Ai for an answer directly from the relevant one. In any event, as I see it, those hanging on to books and electronic copies of same for identifying specific technical information for use by coal-face electricians are flogging a dead horse! It really doesnt matter if the answer comes with a caution.

    I'm not sure I 100 % agree. 

    For example, with Cmin response, only the usage in relation to maximum measured earth fault loop impedance is cited, yet the usages for calculations adiabatic (or, where appropriate, Cmax), and maximum prospective fault current (Cmax) , are not ... however, they aren't cited directly in BS 7671 either.

    If BS EN [IEC] 60909 series and CLC/TR 50480 were available open-source, similarly the guidance on BS 7671, it might be ... otherwise, it's a sub-set of information on the topic.

    There's also the situation of AI algorithm picking up the right inference ... a lot of technical questions I've asked AI fall way short of the mark, and I've decided to park AI for the moment ... I think electrotechnical professionals should be advised to follow the practice the legal profession in the UK has been advised to in this regard: www.pinsentmasons.com/.../english-high-court-ai-lawyer-accuracy


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    gkenyon said:
    I think electrotechnical professionals should be advised to follow the practice the legal profession in the UK

    I am with Graham on this one. One of the core skills of a lawyer is not only to be able to identify relevant case law, but to be able to understand and apply it. Mind you, it might be interesting to know the approach taken by law schools nowadays.

    AI seems to encourage idleness, but there is nothing new in that. My late father (who died in 1989) always said that if you rely upon somebody else's work, you cannot know whether it is correct or not.

    Back to the OP, I would go so far as to permit .pdf copies of BS 7671 in assessments, largely because they are easy to search, but no further.

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    gkenyon said:
    I think electrotechnical professionals should be advised to follow the practice the legal profession in the UK

    I am with Graham on this one. One of the core skills of a lawyer is not only to be able to identify relevant case law, but to be able to understand and apply it. Mind you, it might be interesting to know the approach taken by law schools nowadays.

    AI seems to encourage idleness, but there is nothing new in that. My late father (who died in 1989) always said that if you rely upon somebody else's work, you cannot know whether it is correct or not.

    Back to the OP, I would go so far as to permit .pdf copies of BS 7671 in assessments, largely because they are easy to search, but no further.

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