Reasons why I suffered tinnitus, insomnia, chronic fatigue, and other health problems after having digital electricity meters installed

In my last reply to my previous EngX discussion Severe Tinnitus Following the Installation of New Electricity Meters, which is still attracting a lot of viewings over a year on, I stated that my hunt would continue for medical and electrical answers as to why I had suffered bad health reactions including; tinnitus, insomnia, chronic fatigue, migraine, tingles and twitches, sore eyes, sinus problems, blood pressure problems and several other symptoms, during a 197 day ordeal while my home was fitted with a series of 5 digital electricity meters. To some extent, it still remains work in progress, there's a few pieces of the jigsaw to find, but having already found some very concerning science about non‑ionising radiation, how protection from it is regulated and plenty of evidence of others suffering similarly, it is time for an update:

The suspicion that switched-mode power supplies (SMPS) without noise suppression as used by digital electricity meters affected my health has to be valid as all my symptoms considerably improved within 7 days of the traditional electro-mechanical meter being fitted, almost all to the point where they were no longer noticeable. The peaks of electrical noise I found using the FFT function on my oscilloscope prior to fitting this meter on the mains wiring within my home were no longer present. I felt I had been given my life back and I remain grateful to my energy supplier for eventually fulfilling my ever increasingly desperate requests to have such a meter reinstalled.

Unfortunately the 197 day ordeal endured has left its mark and, as many other sufferers have reported, the longer you are exposed to what is causing the health reactions, the more difficult it is to return back to normal. Tinnitus lingers on - unless I am away from my home and other places that seem to still stimulate it. (ie It remains an environmental problem.) What I haven’t had to do since 25 August last year is to abandon my house for respite or sleep out in the garden, as I did so many times during my ordeal.

I have found science indicating that I was not far out with the notion of ultrasonics playing a role in the tinnitus, but rather than acoustics, it is electromagnetic fields oscillating in the ultrasonic range as a consequence of “dirty electricity” - extraneous frequencies on the AC mains in the tens and hundreds of kilohertz. Within human and many other animal ears (this isn’t just a human problem), the tectorial membrane coating hairs in the cochlea and the otoconia in the saccule are piezoelectric. As a result they will convert electric currents arising from ultrasonic frequencies of electric and electromagnetic fields into sound. The auditory nerve itself can be electrically stimulated. The result is that the human ear may be 5,000 to 10,000 times more sensitive to electric and electromagnetic fields oscillating at ultrasonic frequencies than at power line frequencies. The resulting sound is apparently filtered out my most people by their brains, but some people end up hearing a high pitched tinnitus tone close to the top of their hearing range. Resonance is an important factor on sustaining the effect and for starting it in the first place where field strengths are low. This all seems to fit so very closely with my own suffering of a high pitched tone close to the top of my hearing range.

There are also many other mechanisms for interference within the human body by electromagnetic fields. For example; generation of reactive oxygen species (ROS), increased free radical production and activation of voltage-gated calcium channels. These lead to oxidative stress and then all sorts of symptoms can arise including those I experienced last year, as shown in the diagram below:

As I reported in my original discussion, I am far from alone, finding others reporting similar symptoms to myself is quite easy to achieve. Surveys were carried out years ago when people started complaining of health impacts after meters started to be fitted in homes. Here’s a chart from a study of people who complained of health ailments in Australia and the USA after having smart meters fitted in their homes (Source: Steve Weller, 2015. The Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Radiation. 10.13140/RG.2.2.28585.47205.):

The first six of these symptoms figured highly in the period that I had digital meters installed in my home, plus one of the other symptoms. These symptoms, and those in the previous diagram, come up time and time again in reports from others on the ailments people experience in their homes after having had smart meters fitted. If you don’t believe me, then try searching online yourself, it shouldn’t take you very long to find them.

There is plenty of science to substantiate that harm is being done by exposure to man-made electromagnetic radiation. Over 100,000 peer reviewed scientific papers have been published. You can find more than 40,000 such publications and over 7,000 summaries of individual scientific studies at the “The EMF Portal”.

Unfortunately despite all the science and reports of people suffering the same set of symptoms, regulators do not want to admit there are any harmful effects from relatively low levels of man‑made electromagnetic radiation. Politicians do not understand what is happening to people and the environment as a consequence of something that is an invisible problem to all except the scientists working on the matter and those knowingly affected. The politicians refer to the regulators for advice and as they are not going to admit there is a problem with their own guidance, their reply always is; “there is no problem, everything is safe as the exposure is below the ICNIRP limits”. Any individuals complaining that there is a problem are then told they are the first to ever complain, nothing is wrong, despite many complaints previously going back well over a decade.

There are many scientists and campaigners calling for changes to how exposure limits are regulated and a search on the Internet will reveal immense dissatisfaction with the guidelines from the ICNIRP, the WHO’s “The International EMF Project” and other related radiation protection bodies through their stubbornness in not accepting any of the science that reveals harmful effects other than heating, despite another part of WHO declaring Electromagnetic Fields a “Class 2B possible carcinogen”. (See: https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E.pdf)  In 2021 a group of scientists, doctors and related professionals whose work and warnings on the effects of non-ionising radiation were constantly being ignored, set up the “International Commission on the Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Fields” with the aim of providing independent recommendations on exposure limits that do protect the public and the environment. (See: https://icbe-emf.org/)

There are problems not just with the magnitude of the limits currently imposed but also how radiation intensity is measured. For example, strong pulses of radiation are averaged out over a comparatively large timescale that reduces the intensity to a negligible amount when compared to the limit, but the pulse itself could have been above the limit for an instant and/or strong enough to create a shock-wave within the bioelectrical systems of the human body. Frequency as well as the intensity of the radiation is also a significant factor, certain frequencies at a low intensity can cause more effects than other frequencies at much higher intensities.

The ICNIRP, despite refusing to accept any science revealing harmful effects other than heating injury, states in its guidance for low frequencies (LF), the range that I believe had a significant detrimental affect on my health:

“When people are exposed to LF fields, electric fields and currents are generated inside the body and they can interfere with the body’s own electric fields and current flows related to normal biological functioning.”
(From: https://www.icnirp.org/en/frequencies/low-frequency/index.html)

What follows this statement are remarks about the effects being mainly unnoticed, temporary and inconsequential. This is not something I will ever concur with as my health so badly compromised last year. There is also a statement that high exposures can cause permanent irreversible cardio-vascular effects. Common effects reported for low exposure to frequencies caused by dirty electricity include; cardio vascular problems. Scarily, investigations into links with Alzheimer’s and ALS/MND are mentioned as being “inconclusive”, as are insomnia and cognitive functioning. I can vouch for the latter pair of ailments, I hope I never have to vouch for the former pair. There is also scientific evidence on childhood leukaemia resulting from exposure to high tension power lines, yet the ICNIRP state there is no proof of any such causation.

Despite requests, Russia refuses to follow the ICNIRP guidelines due to research it carried out during the Soviet era and remains alarmed that the West hasn’t heeded the science it shared some years ago. It sets its limits for levels of exposure at just 1% of the ICNIRP levels, as does China and many former Soviet and Eastern Bloc States. Here’s a comparison albeit these are limits applying for microwave frequency exposure (Source Jamieson, I. 2014: RF / Microwave Radiation Risk Awareness, Figure 1):

As you can see, some countries and regions in Western Europe take the matter even more seriously than Russia and China.

While not adopting stricter exposure limits yet, Sweden acknowledges the existence of electro‑hypersensitivity as a “functional impairment disability” with around 3.2% of the population already identified as sufferers. (Sweden is not alone in the recognition of EHS.) This would equate to over 2 million people in the UK. Some estimates of electro-hypersensitivity put the percentage at 12%, the median value seems to be between 5% and 6%, roughly equating to 3.5 million people in the UK. Note the charity ES-UK states that around 50% of the population will notice some sort of effect(s) and the rest don’t escape, they just won’t notice how they are being affected.

Thanks to the lead times in symptoms appearing and the medical profession having had no training to spot causation of symptoms via electro-hypersensitivity, cases are not being recorded and we simply do not know just how big the problem currently is in the UK. People who suspect they have symptoms due to an electrical device being installed in or near their home will be told it is simply nonsense. However, there are statistics for the related symptoms of tinnitus, insomnia, chronic fatigue, migraines and ADHD and many others indicating that these are all on the rise within the population, some rising as a percentage very quickly indeed. However, it seems no one in the NHS wants to take notice into the research pointing out these as symptoms of electromagnetic radiation exposure. My GPs are interested but say they don’t have time to look into the matter. Meanwhile, the pressure on their already stretched services for treatment regarding these ailments continues to increase.

One of the remaining questions I haven’t found any answers for yet is: “Why I am so different to have become hypersensitive before most others?” I don’t particularly feel special in any way, I might have more amalgam fillings than I would like (some people cite these as aiding and abetting such sensitivity but my dentist doesn’t see it as a worthwhile reason to go to the trouble of replacing them) and I’ve also had quite a few MRI scans in my time. However, I simply haven’t been able to establish any commonalities with other sufferers. Hence I can't state who will be vulnerable to this problem. I had no idea I would ever suffer like I did last year, I put my trust in the people who authoritatively stated there was nothing to be concerned about. They may easily be the next to suffer.

We all are electrical beings, animals and plants too. All are dead without internal electrical activity and all respond to electromagnetic fields, some at very low levels of intensity, birds for navigation as an example. (There are many scientific papers concerning effects on birds, bees and trees.) It appears that we all have our own individual threshold of tolerating interference from non‑ionising radiation. The diagram below was originally produced in Germany by Professor Karl Hecht in 2016, which depicts the different stages of coping:

The timescales involved are rather long, the human body can put up with so much, but at some point, failure to cope will occur. The timeline in the diagram is actually just an example to show how long the process can take and that’s one of the reasons EHS is so complicated to define as a causation of ill health. The other is that oxidative stress is caused by other things in our modern day lives. Ultra Processed Foods (UPFs) for example, which are facing similar complaints of ill health from scientists, while the government advice comes from people associated with the very industry producing UPFs and promoting them as being good for us. Check out the health data panel on the side of a can of diet cola for example. You might decide it's so healthy you want to drink nothing else. (Please don’t reply about that.)

Just over a year ago, I made contact the lead author of "Dirty power from new electricity meters: Key to a health problem?” (Please note links within this document have been fixed since the document was uploaded in my previous discussion). This document contains information on SMPS in electricity meters leading to tinnitus, insomnia, concentration problems, fatigue and joint pain. He pointed me to two books he and his co-authors had written on the entire subject of how ill health can result from smart and dumb electricity meters, but written in Norwegian. These books have since been fully translated into English, they include the above diagrams and much more of the science surrounding them. They are free to download from the author’s website:

https://einarflydal.com/sdm_downloads/download-smartmeters-dirty-electricity-pulses-and-health-pdf/

https://einarflydal.com/sdm_downloads/download-smart-meters-the-law-and-health-pdf/

Both books were originally written before my ordeal with digital meters began. “Smart meters, dirty electricity, pulses and health” is the most recent of the books and has had some updates during its translation. It provides quite a comprehensive view of the whole subject of health related problems arising from non-ionising radiation emitted by electricity meters plus other devices/equipment.

“Smart meters, the law and health” is more or less a direct translation of the Norwegian version with a few notes containing updated information. Part 1 of this book concerns the law in Norway, where smart meters were made mandatory, and the law concerning the European Convention on Human Rights. The Annexe, Part 2, is the forerunner of the other more recent book, but it contains some interesting additional details including how the ICNIRP and “The International EMF Project” were founded and how they operate to maintain the “thermal paradigm” that only heating effects need to be prevented. This book was originally published in 2018 and in the conclusion to Part 2, the author made this rather interesting prediction:

“From around 2022, there will be a tipping point in health statistics. From around 2025 it should be possible to observe that from 2022 there has been a growth in general morbidity, and the increase in morbidity will be steeper in the following 10-15 years. Some – the “electrically insensitive” – who in number are perhaps as numerous as the electrically hypersensitive – will go completely free.

The most common symptoms will be neuro-vegetative disturbances such as neuroses, depression, fatigue during the daytime, performance impairment, sleep problems, headaches, various changes in heart/vascular functions, hyperactivity, cardiac arrhythmia, tinnitus and inner restlessness.”

How true this prediction came for me in 2022. As for the prediction for the period 2025 to 2040 about increasing morbidity, a few months ago “The Health Foundation” made exactly the same prediction about increasing morbidity: 2.5 million more people in england projected to be living with major illness by 2040. The illnesses it cites as causing the rise in morbidity are; anxiety and depression, chronic pain and diabetes. Sifting through the research papers, these conditions come up time and again as long term problems with links to overexposure to non-ionising radiation, plus lots more of concern too. (For a lengthy list of possible effects and ailments, please see section 14 within “Selected Studies on Electrosensitivity (ES) and Electromagnetic Hyper-sensitivity (EHS)”.)

It is of no surprise that the Norwegian books take aim at the ICNIRP and the related WHO’s “The International EMF Project”. The books describe how the science presented to these organisations is sifted and rebuffed, but rather than disagreeing outright when harm is difficult to deny, they send it back to the authors with a note stating; “further research required”. How they deliberately ignore the precautionary and “ALARA” (As Low As Reasonably Achievable) principles in the face of science showing there are problems is also explained, and that recklessness should be worrying to all of us, not just to the people who have become affected already.

If you still don’t want to believe these books and all the science they reference, nor what happened to myself, just try searching the Internet for “dirty electricity” and “smart meters tinnitus” and you will receive plenty of results. There’ll be a few weird and wonderful websites returned among the results, but I scanned through the top 1,000 results for “dirty electricity” very recently and found only a few results that were off topic. Most of the results appeared to be reporting very similar things about the technologies that cause it and the symptoms being suffered.

What is also highly noticeable in all the searching online I’ve been doing, is the absence of any viable alternative to explain how I became so ill last year nor any science attempting to prove the human body is 100% compatible with man-made electromagnetic radiation (up to the point at which heating injuries occur). There are scientific reports that low levels of interference can actually make improvements to health in certain circumstances. Recently BBC Click on 7 October featured the Nissan Formula E racing team drivers being subjected to low levels of electromagnetic radiation in order to stimulate their brains in seemingly successful attempts to improve their reaction speeds and alleviate insomnia due to jet lag. There’s plenty of other science too on positive effects, but you can’t accept there are no effects if you want to accept that there are good effects.

While dirty electricity can be produced by many appliances, and very worryingly many are devices that are being promoted as saving the environment, what can be done with reference to electricity meters? Most importantly, they need to include electrical noise suppression to stop their power supplies creating and spreading dirty electricity around the home and the local neighbourhood. Next, why can’t they use the home’s broadband router (with VOIP telephony being rapidly rolled-out, almost every home in the UK will have one soon) to return data to the energy companies rather than putting in another wi-fi router and what is essentially a mobile phone that makes a call at least once every 30 mins 24/7? As for the in‑home display unit, why not an app for the computer or phone? I’m finding a lot of people throw these displays in a drawer thinking that this the smart meter and then claim they don’t have one! For those who have wi-fi intolerance (a co-author of the Norwegian books is one such person), then how about an Ethernet socket so that a cable can be run between the meters and to the home’s broadband router? There’s certainly no need for mobile phone communication, which is such a bugbear for many smart meters already installed and now to the mobile phone industry who are having to keep the second generation of mobile phone systems running longer than ought to have been necessary.

As for ES/EHS sufferers; what I’ve found is that they are living in an absolute nightmare situation. People are suffering, very very badly in some cases, from something that others do not want to believe exists. Appropriate help is near impossible to obtain from the authorities and the medical profession, allowing their suffering to continue and worsen with time. (I even had treatments for an unrelated problem withdrawn due to my physical condition deteriorating so much.) Then they have to suffer the taunts of delusion, of psychological causation, despite all the peer reviewed science readily available and the commonality of symptoms reported by sufferers around the world over many years, many of whom were blind to the problem before they started suffering symptoms, myself included. Even so, the result is not the compassionate care that befits anyone suffering mental illness, it is more akin to the treatment lepers received in bygone centuries; sufferers are shunned and made outcasts from ordinary society. Those like myself who find themselves sensitive to digital electricity meters, are told to live with the meter causing them harm or have the electricity turned off. Anyone wondering what the latter is like, just turn your electricity off and see how long you last before craving to turn it back on. Some ES/EHS sufferers retreat to living off-grid in the wilderness to try to escape the technologies hurting them and the people deriding them. The way sufferers are treated can result in extreme mental anguish, serious anxiety and depression can set in. Suicides are not unknown.

This is not the treatment any minority deserves in the 21st Century, certainly not one that is trying its best to stop others from following in their wake by raising the alarm about what is happening to them and the environment as a whole. Without recognition, independent regulation and engineering solutions, this problem is soon going to become a lot lot worse as we rush into electrifying almost everything in our lives. I’ve had a preview of the future and if nothing changes, it’s going to be far from an environmentally friendly and healthy place. For many it will be a very dark place indeed.

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  • Just found this article and am in a state of shock.  I could have written this, it is my story exactly! 

    I live in California, USA, and have been in my current home for the past 20 years.  In late August of 2024 I began hearing a very high-pitched tone, similar to something that might be made by an electric motor.  The source of this high frequency tone has so far been extremely difficult to locate.  I have spent months driving around my neighborhood and industrial areas of my small city.  I have consulted an electrician, who could not attribute the noise as coming from anything in my home.  The power was shut off at the meter, but the noise continued.   Unfortunately, I have not as yet found anyone else who can hear this high frequency tone, making it all the more difficult to be understood.  It is now February 2025, and as yet I have been unable to identify a source.  This noise seems to be concentrated at the back of my home, in the proximity of the electric meters.  While I have kept my analog electric meters, I am surrounded by Smart Meters, as well as utility poles and overhead wires in very close proximity (perhaps 8-10 ft., give or take) to the back of my home. 

    For the past six months, I have been living with a form of torment and torture.  I sleep no more than 2-4 hours a night and suffer from exhaustion, as well as constant aggravation as this high frequency seems to bore into my brain.  I know I don't have actual tinnitus because when I leave my house, the noise stops.  I requested an inspection from my utility company, PG&E, but when the service technician came out, all I received was the equivalent of an angry lecture about how "electricity doesn't make noise," and "Smart Meters don't break because they have no moving parts," and "PG&E isn't going to change out the meter."

    Thanks to this article, I at least now know I'm not delusional and imagining something that isn't there.  Not sure where to go from here, and may be forced to sell my home. 

  • I am not attempting to throw you a curved ball, but do you have any teeth filled with dental metal amalgams?

    There are reports from years ago, about dental amalgams acting as antennas and picking up electromagnetic radiation like cell phones and Wi-Fi.   

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL

  • Hi Peter,

    Yes I do and I am only too aware of the issue and recommendations by campaign groups to have amalgam fillings removed. However, I've found little science that would convince me it would be good thing to do. This is the only scientific report I have downloaded on the subject:

    Balagopal Sundaresan, Oct 2015, "Effect of Electro Magnetic Field (EMF) on Dental Amalgam and General Health", Biomedical and Pharmacology Journal, DOI: 10.13005/bpj/759

    I actually decided long ago never to have any more amalgam fillings due to reports I'd read on them long before 2015. If converting all my remaining amalgam fillings was guaranteed to stop my tinnitus, the above doesn't convince me, I would be ringing my dentist to have them replaced asap. However, I've also seen other science about the effects of heavy metals in the bloodstream on health resulting in EHS type symptoms. I've already had conversations with my dentist and he states that dislodging the fillings is likely to risk such contamination and advises against it. He would rather progressively replace them as they wear out.

    My dentist is not aware of EHS issues, but he cannot see how my fillings would transmit the received radiation up into my ears. As he will be making a lot of money out of the work to replace my fillings, it reinforces my trust in him. I believe the two fillings closest to my left ear, the worst affected side, are coming up for replacement. When they are and if changing them for composite fillings makes a difference, good or bad, I will be reporting it here, or in whichever discussion is live on this topic at the time. If the difference is positive, the rest of my amalgam fillings won't be remaining until they are worn out.

    Andrew

  • Some of the problems that you have mentioned might be related to problems with the "Vagus nerve"system .

    It provides a major communication link between the brain and the gut.

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL.

  • The interference of the Vagus nerve system by EMFs and deliberate stimulation as a way of countering EHS effects are widely talked about in EHS circles and exactly the type of interference I've been mentioning. I should have added after I said in my post of  3 June 25; "The whole essence of life is contained in these signals. When they stop, we stop - we’re dead.":

    "Interfere with them and it is no wonder all sorts of ailments can occur."

    Here's a scientific report produced by the US Navy back in 1971 that has recently come to light:

    Zorach R. Glaser, Naval Medical Research Institute, 4 Oct 1971 (Revised 20 April 1972), "Bibliography of Reported Biological Phenomena ('Effects') and Clinical Manifestiations Attributed to Microwave and Radio-Frequency Radiation", Naval Medical Research Institute.

    You will see "Structural Alterations in the Synapses of the Vagus Nerve" and "Stimulation of Parasympathetic Nervous System (Bradycardia), and Inhibition of the Sympathetic Nervous System" in section D on Page 8. Immediately above is "Fatigue". Part C lists the following of relevance to my experience; "Headaches", "Insomnia", "Restlessness", "Cranial Nerve Disorders".

    There are plenty of other interesting symptoms listed in the report that are also rather interesting. Re Peter's post about amalgam fillings. Under"Q. Miscellaneous Effects" this just caught my eye; "Sparking between dental fillings" and "Peculiar metallic taste in mouth". Other interesting symptoms are; "Sensations of Buzzing Vibrations, Pulsations, and Tickling, About the Head and Ears" and changes in "Changes in Circadian Rhythms".

    The report references 2311 scientific studies and reports. There's a few stories going around about what happened for the report's findings to go ignored, which I don't want to repeat here. An analysis though has been published that concluded 23 out of today's 36 fastest-growing chronic diseases were predicted by the report, which may have added as much as $2 trillion in annual health care costs to the U.S. economy:

    R.A. Lear & C.R.G. Rees, Feb 2025, "Safety of Wireless Technologies: The Scientific View" DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.18625.06242

    The frequency ranges stated in the above titles may be a bit higher than the frequencies that I accuse of interfering with my health, but the overlap of symptoms with my own are relevant and seem to appear in lists of whichever frequency range is studied. Studies into the exposure of low frequencies (sub 100 kHz) are far fewer than those looking at RF and microwave frequencies, mainly due to public concerns over the widespread use of high frequencies. However, there is growing concern within the scientific community that low frequencies may be rather even more bio-active and the public are yet to understand what "dirty electricity" is and what it could potentially be doing to them.

    Unless people suffering from dirty electricity are able to work out there's a correlation between their symptoms and changes in electrical devices (plenty more than just electricity meters) either inside or outside their home, which can be very very difficult for them, they will not know about the existence of dirty electricity as it serves no useful purpose and is otherwise totally invisible to them.

    Andrew

  • Hello Andrew:

    I have to remind you that the impact of the human gut on the complete body was only discovered when stomach bypass surgery started to be done in approximately 2010 and really got emphasized during COVID-19, when its connection to the human immune system was discovered. 

    The latest "other" human system that is being (finally) recognized is the "Lymphatic" system, which mainly impacts woman.

    This was highlighted by the effects of lymph node removal, during breast cancer surgery.

    By the way "Men" can also get Breast caner.

    For your information tattoo inks can migrate from the skin to the lymph nodes.

    Another question? Do you use a CPAP system to improve your sleep?

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL  

  • Hi Peter,

    I have never been diagnosed as having sleep apnoea, hence I've never had a need for a CPAP system.

    I am in contact with an exceptional expert on insomnia here in the UK and I hope to find out more on this issue soon. Unfortunately insomnia is tricky to isolate when there is loud tinnitus going on that gets the blame for keeping me awake, but it is the most reported symptom in the two studies that make up the chart produced by Steve Weller that I included in my opening post. At the moment, my insomnia comes and goes in phases and I cannot correlate that to changes in the loudness of my tinnitus. Bill's information on ICP makes this worthy of investigation too as a possible factor.

    I used the 1971 report from the US Navy to show that interference with the Vagus system by EMFs has been known for a long time. I've been viewing information from functional doctors in the US on the interaction of the gut on overall health for the last few months. It has been quite interesting. The basics are rather simple: You are what you eat and you need to keep physically and mentally active. I like to think I am, but there's always room for improvement. (I have made a few since viewing their information.)

    The advice to see what these doctors say came from an online EHS campaigner in Canada who has tens of thousands of followers. The doctors have several reasons for the failure of the gut to deal with certain foods and exposure to EMFs leading to oxidative stress is one of them. They have their special mix of supplements to sell, some rather strange gadgets to counter the effects of EMFs and all sorts of secrets conventional medicine knows nothing about to reveal if you sign up to their services. This makes me a bit wary, but experimenting with a readily available over the counter supplement has proven successful in stopping the remaining tingling feelings I had in my fingers and toes. A small win, but I really don't want to be popping any tablets for the sake of absent cheap suppression circuitry in electricity meters or any other equipment for that matter.

    Just for info, I have no tattoos.

    Andrew

  • Hello Andrew:

    I wouldn't touch anything proposed by that guy in Canada - he appears to be just a "sake oil" salesman.

    Every day I read health related information from  major medical journals such a JAMA , on everything from womb to tomb .

    I am most worried about your sleeping problem as there is apparently a connection with development  of Alzheimer's..

    Concerning myself, I have been retired for nearly 25 years and during this time I volunteered in heart wards in a major local hospital.

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay Florida 

     

  • Hello Andrew:

    Have you ever considered fibromyalgia ?

    JAMA just issued a research paper on June 6 2025 Titled "Home based transcranial direct current stimulation vs placebo for Fibromyalgia - A randomized Clinical Trial.

    One of the authors was Felipe Fregni MD PhD at Neuromodulation Center and Center for Clinical Research learning, Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital and Massachusetts General hospital Harvard Medical School, Boston MASS USA

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL.

  • Hi Peter,

    Usually the Canadian guy's interviews with experts are interesting and in tune with other campaigners around the world. I am though rather wary of what he tries to sell. It's easy from across the Pond to say "no" to all these 'solutions', but to all those considering buying anything from anyone selling something unconventional for health purposes wherever you are: Please make sure you do your due diligence first. Make sure the product is safe for you to use and ensure you will get your money back if you do part with your hard earned cash only to find the product does not live up to expectations.

    Regarding Alzheimer's and insomnia, plus also ASL/MND: Here's what worries me:

    "There is no substantial scientific evidence for an association between LF exposure and Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis, developmental and reproductive effects, and cardiovascular diseases, while for Alzheimer's disease and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis the evidence is inconclusive. Studies of symptoms, sleep quality, cognitive function have not provided consistent evidence of an effect from this type of exposure."

    This is from the ICNIRP's webpage on their low frequency guidelines: https://www.icnirp.org/en/frequencies/low-frequency/index.html

    As you can see they deny certain conditions, which many campaigners disagree upon citing many scientific studies claiming an association, but for Alzheimer's, ALS/MND and insomonia, the ICNIRP does not deny there is science available linking these conditions to LF exposure. However, they don't make changes to their exposure guidelines for what are unquestionably adverse effects, due to the evidence being inconsistent and inconclusive. Campaigners persistently call upon them to apply the "Precautionary Principle", which is normally applied whenever there is uncertainty about the risk of harm to health and the environment.

    In the UK we are having an insomnia epidemic. Around 10 million citizens are affected. Lots and lots of reasons and the problem is growing. I contacted the expert I mentioned previously after hearing about his specialism in electronic devices causing insomnia. His specialism does not currently include LF exposure I must add, but visible light and late night usage of electronic devices. I hope he will take a look into what I have been telling him about my experience.

    I can see why you think I might have fibromyalgia having looked on our NHS's webpage about it. There's certainly a strong correlation with my symptoms. Please note though that my symptoms, vary when I leave my house to stay elsewhere (for better or worse) or turn off the electricity. Unless fibromyalgia is another product of EHS, then I fail to see why it should vary according to the 'electrical environment' I'm in. I note the webpage says this about the cause:

    The exact cause of fibromyalgia is unknown, but it's thought to be related to abnormal levels of certain chemicals in the brain and changes in the way the central nervous system (the brain, spinal cord and nerves) processes pain messages carried around the body. (See: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/fibromyalgia/)

    Interesting.

    I've only had chance to have a quick look at the JAMA paper, but that seems to be saying treatment involving Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation can help patients. I think that is similar to the migraine treatments that help sufferers by deliberately interfering with nerve signalling around the head, but I am no expert in these matters.

    Cheers,

    Andrew

  • Hello Andrew:

    Regarding Alzheimer's -the current research to remove tangles and plaque from the brain using chemicals  has just about reached a dead end.

    In an earlier message you made some general statements about the life and death of cells in the body.

    Ask yourself how and when dead cells are eliminated from Brain? There is no "apparent" pumping action in brain!

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL.

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  • Hello Andrew:

    Regarding Alzheimer's -the current research to remove tangles and plaque from the brain using chemicals  has just about reached a dead end.

    In an earlier message you made some general statements about the life and death of cells in the body.

    Ask yourself how and when dead cells are eliminated from Brain? There is no "apparent" pumping action in brain!

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL.

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  • Hi Peter,

    I don't remember nor can I find any trace of statements from me about the life cycle of cells within the body, either in this discussion nor in the discussion that ran during my ordeal with the meters. I think you may have been referring to my statement concerning the bio-electrical signals that course throughout the human body. Here's what I said in my message yesterday, the first line being from my post on 3 June:

    "The whole essence of life is contained in these signals. When they stop, we stop - we’re dead.":

    "Interfere with them and it is no wonder all sorts of ailments can occur."

    If you were referring to a different statement, please could use the "Quote" feature as I have done for the above, as it automatically inserts a link back to the originating post, or alternatively, insert a link manually as I have to my "3 June" post.

    Alzheimer's Disease is a very complex condition with various possible causations and leads to a physical deterioration of the brain structure, but if the ICNIRP haven't denied there is science linking it with LF EMFs, then that really gives me some concern. Many of the symptoms I suffered and those few I continue to suffer are enough to give me heightened concern, even if there's no direct causation of AD. I agree with you that suffering insomnia long term can be a significant factor.

    Thanks for the link to the podcast. It will be interesting for anyone working with AI technology for medical care. I think the ethics and public perception of using AI for such purposes warrants a separate EngX discussion - unless there is a thread on this already.

    Andrew