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EIC "...recommend that this installation is further inspected and tested..."

psychicwarrior
Given that [at least for me] 'this installation' is referring to the work detailed in the extent of the EIC and not the installation as a whole, the wording should be improved by including reference to the extent ?


That is unless the above understanding is incorrect ? In which case oops !


Minor issue I know in the grand scheme, but just thinking it might be clearer to the recipient (assuming they do read it).
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    I agree it's confusing (or possibly just confused). Sometimes BS 7671 uses "installation" to mean what's just been installed, other times the complete installation. It's almost as if the wording hailed from an era when nothing when all installations were completely new....


    For things like a label attached near the origin (as per 514.12.1), the reader isn't likely to be aware of the history of various additions and alteration, so can only really assume 'installation' means the complete installation, so I reckon we need to be careful what we write on that to ensure it's not misleading (i.e. ensure it reads the earliest date overall).


    On an EIC, where the part of the installation to which it refers is defined - a date appropriate for only that piece of work alone is more likely appropriate.


       - Andy.
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    I agree, but the EIC is not entirely clear. On the one hand, the installation is as defined in the box headed, "Extent of installation covered by this Certificate:". On the other hand, there are tick boxes for a new installation, an addition, and an alteration.


    So you might issue an EIC for a new shower circuit, but the next I&T would be as planned, not 10 years (or WHY) later.


    Perhaps one should strike through "this installation" and put "the whole installation" instead in the bottom box?
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    The Extent box defines what part of the installation you are certifying. When I am teaching I advocate the use of the magic word "only" for the purposes of rectum protectum. So if you are installing a new shower circuit as indicated by Chris in the Extent box you might write, " A new final circuit supplying the shower in the bathroom on the first floor only". Your installation certificate should only relate to the new works. So only tick the boxes on the inspection form that relate to your new circuit, N/A all the other boxes.


    It is an addition to an existing installation so you will need to comply with 132.16 and verify before you start work that the installation can take the additional load and the earthing and bonding are present and correct, and tick the appropriate boxes on the EIC.


    Whilst carrying out the works you may spot deficiencies on  the existing installation so as a further rectum protectum exercise in the "Comments on the Existing Installation" box you might write, " It was noticed that the sockets on the ground floor are not 30mA RCD protected. We recommend consideration be given to installing RCD protection on this circuit". The date for the next inspection only relates to your new works. The problem comes with the sticky label to indicate the date of inspection and the date of the next inspection. I would recommend to write in long hand on the label "shower circuit only" or whatever works you have done. So if the following week the house goes up in flames due to another faulty circuit you can provide your EIC as a shield. As I have written elsewhere "let your certificate be your shield not a big stick to beat you with when the SH 1T hits the fan"!
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    John Peckham:

    ...


     The problem comes with the sticky label to indicate the date of inspection and the date of the next inspection. I would recommend to write in long hand on the label "shower circuit only" or whatever works you have done.

    ...




    I have a view on that 'sticky label', in that other than after a full rewire or new installation, that label should only be 'updated' following a the periodic inspection that it indicated (or perhaps if one is held earlier for some reason).  EIC's issued for other things not those above, do not require amending the label... that way nothing gets out of kilter with the periodic inspection process (which that sticky label is all about really); carrying out some EIC work does not change that process.

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    I never studied latin but

      today "rectum protectum"

    and

    years ago "nil desperandum carborundum"

    are two phraes I am now conversent with.

    Where can I purchase a new batch of "learning curvers"?
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    ebee:

     "nil desperandum carborundum"




    ebee, I just realised what is wrong with your latin - you are conflating two phrases. Nil Desperandum is an old latin phrase meaning (roughly) don't despair, and I think the latin phrase you were thinking of is Nil illegitimus carborundum (also appearing in Wilbur Smith's book Cry Wolf as "Noli illegitimus carborundum").

    Another phrase I like is from Terry Pratchett's discworld books where the guild of plumbers has a motto something like Non proxima septem diem, squiri.

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    Oh Alasdair... you're speaking my language with the Discworld.... ?


    It's 'Non Ante Septem Dies Proxima, Squiri'


    And my favourite (and probably the favourite of some of the forum users too) the Vetinari family motto - Si Non Confectus, Non Reficiat

    . 


    ?
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    This is I suspect an example of Canis Latinicus,  or 'dog latin'   for  folk who don't know latin, where the author adds latinesque prefices and suffices onto the English word, or takes a well known latin phrase and uses the wrong endings.

    A lot of Harry Potter spells are of this form 'accio'  'expecto patronum' ' incendio' & c.


    Not to be confused with pig latin which is a speaking code or meta-language, and not latin at all..


    edit the phrase  has its own wikkipedia  page Illegitimi_non_carborundum
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    Lisa,

    Thanks for the correction - not having the right book to hand it was from memory, and even with the books to hand it would have taken me some time to find it. I had forgotten the Vetinari family motto, many thanks for the reminder, and perhaps an appropriate quote for this topic.

    Alasdair
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    My "Nil Deasparandum Carborundum" is an old, tongue in cheek, engineering phrase for "Don`t let the Custards grind you down" (of course custards starts with a B not a C). Carborundum being a make of grinding wheel a while back. It`s not really meant be latin just a micky take of such.

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