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EICR Codes help for new Landlord.

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Hi. I hope you are all well and keeping busy in these strange times. I look after a ladies house who has had to move back abroad and now needs to let the property out and so she has had an EICR done which has come back with saying it needs a total rewire for few grand. 


What I want to know is can I ask info on here about the codes he has put and if reasonable.


I don't won't to upset anyone by second guessing another trades persons work but I would like an idea if this is right or not?


Thanks you


Regards Lee
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    Sparkingchip:

    You need to get an opinion from an electrician who can actually have a look at the installation, I don’t know what to suggest regards finding an electrician to do do. [sic]


    Well I think that the owner is stuck between a rock and a hard place. There seems to be a sub-optimal EICR, but if she gets another one, why should it be any better and you still don't get around the no RCD no CPC lighting circuits.


    On the other hand, the purpose of the new legislation is to safeguard tenants from these shoddy installations.


    Being pragmatic, is the inspecting electrician prepared to remedy the issues highlighted above or can you get another electrician who would remedy what needs to be done (CU change?) and issue a satisfactory EICR?


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    Now would I rent this apartment, flat, house or whatever?

    It appears that we have 50-60 year old electrical wiring, with no apparent upgrades; so do we have central heating, a combi boiler, double glazing?

    If not then the property is not fit for C21 rental purposes.

    Legh
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    Hi All. Thanksnso much for your help.

    It does seem like I need another sparky to go in there and have a look.


    I have not seen any heat damage to any circuits etc. 


    It has central heating in there with a combi boiler.


    The electrician does want to re wire the whole place he said.


    Thanks again for the advice. I am glad I have not offended you by asking for a 2nd opinion on another guys certificate.
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    AJJewsbury:
    Max permitted Zs column isn't right. Max Zs for a 30 A BS 3036 fuse is 1.04 Ω (Table 41.2).

    That's 'cos they've decided that 5s disconnection times are appropriate for all the final circuits ?


    It's complete nonsense (he said politely).


       - Andy.




    The entry for the maximum Zs is generated automatically after you enter the disconnection time, type and rating of the fuse or circuit breaker.


    As I said above if you correctly complete the schedule of inspections the observations are entered ready for you to edit with references.


    Use the software properly and you end up with a report in which everything tallies up and makes sense, unlike this one.


    Andy B.


     


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    Bearing in mind that the person preparing the report should be able to write the entire report out by hand.
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    Mutley:

    it needs a total rewire for few grand.


    What I want to know is can I ask info on here about the codes he has put and if reasonable.

     

    I doubt that the "inspector" is qualified for such work nor even registered. An EICR is a report only on the condition of a property, a quotation for any rectification work, should only be given after a condition report has been issued ...... (by a registered body or person.) .


    Jaymack
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    The lighting circuit would be easy to re wire as the back boxes are all connected with iron/galvanised barrel or something. So straight forward to pop new cable down. 


    The owner is keen to get this fixed ASAP and is happy to pay what ever it takes as the Agency are telling her she risks a 30k fine to get it done ASAP.


    I it was me who wanted a second opinion.
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    Mutley:

    The lighting circuit would be easy to re wire as the back boxes are all connected with iron/galvanised barrel or something. So straight forward to pop new cable down. 


    The owner is keen to get this fixed ASAP and is happy to pay what ever it takes as the Agency are telling her she risks a 30k fine to get it done ASAP.


    That's great. The £30k is a penalty and not a fine and I think it is regrettable if the landlady feels threatened by it.


    It isn't necessarily "straight forward" to pull cables up and down conduit or capping - it can be a doddle or it can be a ***. Good luck!


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    a simple wire for wire replacement pulling the new wire in as the  old one comes out is often possible but far from always. Enabling work of hoovering any grot out of the pipes and having a free-up wiggle with a colleague before going for the low profile cable splice and the  re-thread are worth it.
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    John Peckham:

    Looks like the usual nonsense from a person not competent to carry out a periodic inspection and test. 


    Nice phrase JP.


    Having said that I have myself been known to make comments ref remedials if they are defects noted by someone else not me. When there`s a few it can get to the point where you get to consider if " a total rewire might be the most prudent course of action" of course a site visit sometimes starts to make that answer a bit clearer.


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