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EICR failed missing trunking?

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Hi,



I’ve just had an EICR done last week, One item I do not understand and would need an electrician or someone to help please. the EICR report says “MISSING TRUNKING WITH WIRES NOT SUPPORTED C2 SHED.” The cable is clipped on the wood wall in the shed. There are no exposed wires. And the shed is not on escape routes. Does cable need to be in trunking in order to comply with the electrical wire regulation? Is the code 2 correct for this situation?  please see photo.1ff9527a633c65202618bef88f7b0919-original-shed.jpg



Thank you for help


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    I remembered having a photo on my phone, everything generally required for going the I&T for an EICR in a flat in town, with the camera being used to record the installation as it is, not just issues.


    Everything else stays in the van.
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    You seem to be getting really wound up Andy. Are you trying to prove competence by a picture of your tool bag? A copy of your 2391 certificate might be better, nice though the bag looks if you like that kind of thing! Even the certificate says far too little though. 2391 some years back had a low pass rate, less than 25%. then we got some new numbers, and now it is not fit for purpose. That is progress, is it? A low pass rate on an examination says that the students are poor, the teacher poor or the students do not wish to pass. I have seen courses where all three are true in various degrees. Far too many people tend to think that unless an installation matches their ideas of quality or tidiness or something, it must be bad, usually quoting the "workmanship" clause in BS7671 as justification. I'm afraid I could not understand what your talk about shed fires and electrical safety was all about, or the fire brigade using a hosereel via a house (normal practice if necessary) had to do with the question. The chance of a shed fire with anyone seriously involved is absolutely minute unless they are making bombs at the time. House fires are rarely bad unless people are sleeping. They rarely pass between houses but they may be smoke damage to adjoining properties particularly if they are old, or possibly between roofspaces where there is no division between the properties. As for the talk about parking your van and the problems with yellow lines, we all have that!


    There is a point where something of a pragmatic approach is needed. This is where the experience comes into play, as BOD has been known to say "one can always find a fault in every installation" or words to that effect. Unless you are amazing I bet I could find some (minor) problems with some of your work, and you probably could with mine. For example, I worked on someone's garden lights recently, replacing halogen floods with new LED ones. I did not see the CU because I could not go into the house. I corrected some very bad (possibly dangerous but not compliant) wiring in the garage as I wired the new fittings. I did a Zs reading which was satisfactory on the circuit. I filled in a MWC with that number but little else. He and I are both satisfied with the work. I was pragmatic and did what the customer wanted. It was better than before, and therefore satisfactory. The alternative was to leave an older man in danger of falling over in the dark without anyone else around. Potentially life-threatening risk averted. That is the job.
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    davezawadi (David Stone):

    It may well get a C2 after that, but I would say "cable a bit loose squire, can I add a few clips for you"? Result: a couple of minutes of work and a happy customer, because he gets a satisfactory report (assuming the rest is OK).




    You don’t seem to get that there’s absolutely no reason whatsoever why the person undertaking the I&T should have any cable clips or other materials with them, indeed they may never do any installation work and may not even have a van.


    I seriously considered booking a taxi to drop me off in town to do a couple of EICRs right in the centre and may still do so, if do so I definitely won’t be nipping back home to get a few fixings.


    You also keep banging on about fire clips, the cable is not secured at all and warrants a C2 on that basis alone.


    There also seems to a general attitude that “it is only a shed” so it’s not that important if the electrical installation is up to standard.



     


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    davezawadi (David Stone):

    A low pass rate on an examination says that the students are poor, the teacher poor or the students do not wish to pass.


    Or the exam is just plain hard, or may be the pass rate is used as a filter.


    When I did 2394 four years ago, I think that only 1 out of 8 of us mature Service leavers passed the practical. I ran out of time and had to do it again. There were significantly fewer places on 2395. What I needed was practice in order to complete the tasks quickly, or having done it once, work out what to do differently in order to speed up.


    The old Primary Fellowship exam in surgery had a pass rate of around 15%. That controlled the numbers going on to further training. After that, most people passed most exams. The current Membership exam is much easier, but selection is based on a similar set of assessments from which performance is ranked on a national basis. Six of one and half a dozen of the other!


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    Sparkingchip:

    I just looked at those photos and spotted a handy item that wasn't on my list,  it's always good to have one of these to hand for that 16 mm twin and earth cable terminated into the fused main switch with its sheath stripped back.

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    Yep they are useful, but the cover easily unclips and falls off. It is too small for most modern tails though. It is a pity that the switch fuses that come with three ratings of cartridge fuse don't have two of those covers, one for the top and another for the bottom.  The ones that I recently  bought came with only one. I had tails entering at the bottom and a 16mm2 T&E exiting at the top. A bit tight you may say.


    Z.


     


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    There are very good reason why I don't do electrical work without inspecting the consumer unit and intake equipment first. 

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    I found both of those in privately rented homes during the last year, both were as is in the photos without any staging.


    There are other examples as well.
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    Anyway I have found another tool bag suitable for doing EICRs.


    Just right for all the cable clips and other odds and ends I need to take to town with me.

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    Putting aside Sparkingchips work/life history and toolbox pics and his claim people die when doing EICRs, did we get an answer how a short bit of 2.5mmsq straddling a couple of shelf brackets can "kill someone" ? I know the forum is prone to ramble on, and rarely give a definitive answer, but the poster came on for a bit of help and I dont see hes got it. When our guys are working in a premises and an old age pensioner asks if we can clip back that cable, change a light bulb, refix a switch plate, screw back a fusebox, jobs that take a couple of mins while the pensioner is making them a hot drink I think its a bit naff to say what do you think we are, a charity? No, sorry, different culture.

    Regards, UKPN

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