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The EICR and competence. What are we going to do about the endless problems brought to the forum?

David Stone
Your answers Gentlemen, please. This is indicating a serious problem in the Industry. Trust is now zero. I am disgusted with the behavior of these alleged "inspectors" who are dim, dumb, deaf and blind, and cannot read the BBB. It is not good enough is it?
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    I am just doing an invoice for a landlords EICR I did last week, the three smoke alarms and the heat alarm expired in 2018, only one battery had been replaced since they were originally installed so three out of the four batteries expired in 2010.


    It is an installation that I installed new in 2008 and there was one repair that I could identify, the CDG 100 amp main switch has been replaced with a non-OEM main switch in the peak consumer unit, there has been the same issue in another flat in the same block, the flats were wired with off-peak supplies and installations, but tenants don't use the off-peak supplies then come home and overload the peak supply resulting in two 100 amp main switches failing in different flats.


    So after nearly thirteen years of use the only repair that I could identify was the main switch has been replaced, which I attribute to how the installation is being used. But the fire alarm system has not been fit for purpose for several years, so the safety inspection has served a purpose despite the installation being virtually as installed in 2008.
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    I don't know how you fix it, but every business manager I know rolls their eyes when inspection time comes around. They know that whoever their national head office choose to use, usually a large testing specific company, it will fail and cost them money. Even if it passed fine 5 years ago and nothing has changed. EICR's are used by too many companies for job creation. Another problem is that its all subjective. The regs are black and white to a point, but very vague in others. Then you bring in the grey area of "up to the standards that it was installed to" and its even more grey. MOT's are subjective too. Like your brake pipes Dave, its an observation. Certain things are set in stone, anything with a numerical value, but much like the EICR, the rest is subjective and open to the individuals interpretation. Only way I can see it being stopped is if the people doing the EICR's aren't allowed to do the remedials. Then that cuts out the job creation motive
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    Batteries in appliances Z, where is that in BS7671, please report to BOD at once! More generally, Peak parts are not available unless one uses a particular wholesaler. Older parts are not available. A main switch may be type tested, but there is no possible difference that could cause the CU to fail in a dangerous way. What was the EICR outcome Z, did you code the batteries? A simple note is all you can do to BS7671. What is wrong with the fire alarm, (not BS7671 territory), unless its fixed wiring is in some dangerous way defective. Do your EICRs have feature creep Z?
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    What will be inspected and tested?



    The ‘fixed’ electrical parts of the property, like the wiring, the socket-outlets (plug sockets), the light fittings and the consumer unit (or fuse box) will be inspected. This will include permanently connected equipment such as showers and extractors.

    Guide for landlords: electrical safety standards in the private rented sector - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)


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    davezawadi (David Stone):

    Batteries in appliances Z, where is that in BS7671, please report to BOD at once! More generally, Peak parts are not available unless one uses a particular wholesaler. Older parts are not available. A main switch may be type tested, but there is no possible difference that could cause the CU to fail in a dangerous way. What was the EICR outcome Z, did you code the batteries? A simple note is all you can do to BS7671. What is wrong with the fire alarm, (not BS7671 territory), unless its fixed wiring is in some dangerous way defective. Do your EICRs have feature creep Z?


    Z is innocent. The other fella done it. Honest Guv.


    Z.


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    Good, we are keeping fairly lighthearted, keep them coming, I have a few TERRIBLE examples now, but I need more! Any poor EICRs you come across, with supporting pics, etc if possible, very welcome. No comeback, you may redact (cross out) the address inspected and the inspector's name if you wish, but I prefer not if possible. I'm looking to write a paper on this for JPEL/64 so there is something starting to be done.


    Thanks

    David
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    Zoomup:

    Z is innocent. The other fella done it. Honest Guv.


    I can vouch for Zoomy - we were having a pint of Bateman's at the Dog and Partridge. There were a couple of dodgy folk in the car park - registration number from Salisbury, or was that Swindon? ?


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    davezawadi (David Stone):

    Good, we are keeping fairly lighthearted, keep them coming, I have a few TERRIBLE examples now, but I need more! Any poor EICRs you come across, with supporting pics, etc if possible, very welcome. No comeback, you may redact (cross out) the address inspected and the inspector's name if you wish, but I prefer not if possible. I'm looking to write a paper on this for JPEL/64 so there is something starting to be done.


    Thanks

    David




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    I can vouch for Zoomy - we were having a pint of Bateman's at the Dog and Partridge. There were a couple of dodgy folk in the car park - registration number from Salisbury, or was that Swindon?


    I think they might have said: "I'll 'ave a cheeky glider"...........


    Regards


    BAD
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    Facebook, what's that? This is the IET! Not as such, as the Grouse said to the Partridge!

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