Roll up! Roll up!

lyledunn said:

So they are all at it, NICEIC, IET, even the training organisation I tutor for! Only £199 plus vat will bring you up to speed with the “major”developments about to be rolled out in Amendment two. Emails shot out to prospective clients in the electrical industry who have been persuaded, nay, brainwashed, into thinking that they can’t be without the critical information contained in every cough and splutter of a change to BS7671. For certain we have to keep on our toes about technical issues but the oligarchs don’t need to ram their hands into our pockets at every opportunity.

Some very strong views expressed here, no mistake.

lyledunn said:

Keep your money, the way things are going, you’ll need £199 to fill the van with diesel!

Never a truer word said in jest (or perhaps, no jest) !

I have just invested in a pre-ordered new regs' book. That will do for me thanks.

Z.

I have signed up to half a day's CPD with NAPIT for £80. Given that a copy of BS7671 is included in the price, it looks like a bargain. 

Lyledunn,

Aye very good!! Remember no need to do any training whatsoever, just make sure that you are happy that you can comply with Reg 16 EAWR 1989.

Lets hope it wasnt a BS7671:2018+A2:2002 ( One of the changes) issue that caused the Fatality or Fire etc on one of your future jobs! 

We all have a choice as consumers, training etc from external independents as to how long and how expensive and value for money the training updates maybe, or self teach ourselves. Some CPD can no doubt be thrown into the equation as well.

GTB

Interesting that NONE of these people should KNOW what is in amdt2.  It is supposed to be secret to JPEL/64 and the BSI.

I want the leakers found and thrown out, all of them. They are not honourable and therefore cannot be trusted. All the relevant people operate on a condition of secrecy. This is really serious, I am disgusted, Mr Chairman!

It appears that all building fires, where the real cause is unknown, are blamed on "an electrical fault".

Z.

No disagreement with you GTB. Training is an essential aspect of competence but it needs to be worthwhile. My contention is that some organisations that package convenience training use  BS7671 as a perennial cash cow. The industry has almost come to accept that an operative can’t possibly be competent unless they have a piece of paper confirming that they have passed an exam that merely requires them to look up the index in a book. Even doing only that, the candidate can still pass by getting 40% of the questions wrong! Don’t worry if you fail, have another go, fail again, well maybe next time you will get the same questions you got first time.
It is this kind of forced processing that I object to and the fact that the 18th Edition qualification has come to be considered a safety critical element, which, in its present form, it certainly is not.

What is it to be this time? An AFDD should (a) be placed in the middle of circuit (b) only used in rich peoples homes (c) be placed at the origin of a final circuit (d) be placed out of reach. The correct answer is (b) by the way.

Then again maybe that’s where we are with things but as you say, GTB, we wouldn’t want to be razing a building for the lack of a wee bit of training! 

Then again maybe that’s where we are with things but as you say, GTB, we wouldn’t want to be razing a building for the lack of a wee bit of training! 

Well presumably that  will only be at the rate at which we are currently razing buildings to the ground in our current as yet not quite fully trained (but slightly richer)  state.

In most cases, I suspect that is already a figure hovering about "none" per professional lifetime anyway Sure a few make toe curling silly mistakes but most of them are eventually corrected without anything serious happening in the meantime beyond some whistling through teeth and tutting. And I'm not convinced that another course will totally prevent that.

I see a few folk on something of bandwagon  personally - the requirements of this amendment are not yet even published.

Mike.

That's that 421.1.7 reg. innit?

Z.

Hmm, I've had the misfortune, yet again, to have to do my Asbestos and Manual Handling refreshers. If you have done these before, then there really is no need to do them every year, yet many Employers expect the Certificate to be valid.

I was given a link to do these online yesterday, around £30 to do both. Really? If they were worthwhile, they would be a lot more than £30. The Asbestos took me 23 minutes to finish, including 3min 45s to do the 15 question 'assessment'. I got 15 out of 15. It would have been quicker, but the screen took ages to load between slides.

The Manual Handling was done in 14 minutes. 2mins 33 secs for the 10 question assessment, with questions that an intelligent 10 year old could answer correctly.

Now, both of those are a total rip off, zero knowledge gained, questions are written to allow everyone to pass. If anyone was doing it for the first time, they would only be slightly more clued up than before, there is so little content, it is a joke, and they know it, yet Employers gladly accept this sham of a Certificate to show the person is competent to be aware of what may contain asbestos and how to lift a box. Of course they accept it, and know it isnt worth the paper it is printed on, but they have now passed liability to the Worker, who 'has done the course, so should know these things'.