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Re: One month to go until BS 7671:2018+A1:2020 is withdrawn….act now!

I have just reveived an email from "IET Wiring Regulations".  In it, it says:-

Do you carry out inspections for landlords?

If you are performing electrical inspections for landlords of rented properties you must ensure that the installation is inspected against the most recent version of BS 7671. Staying up to date is imperative.

Am I wrong, or is that totally false?  Looking at https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/312/regulation/2/made, it says:-

“electrical safety standards” means the standards for electrical installations in the eighteenth edition of the Wiring Regulations, published by the Institution of Engineering and Technology and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2018(3);

So that is a specific version of the Wiring Regulations, and not the new 2020 one.

  • I reckon folk can see where I`m going with this and why !

  • I started a new thread when this forum SW bit me again. It very rapidly disappeared. Can you get it on the next Council agenda please John?

  • What is it going to affect in a typical rented home, excluding HMOs?

  • What is it going to affect in a typical rented home, excluding HMOs?

    A few things I think...

    SPDs - 18th required them if the risk assessment said so, AMD 2 says the owner can refuse them,

    Replying on L-N type Open PEN detection on EV charge points - allowed under AMD1/2 but not under the original version.

    Socket say 2.75m from bath/shower - permitted now, prohibited then.

    RCD test notices - mandatory under the 18th, may be omitted now (under some circumstances at least).

       - Andy.

  • I was thinking it might allow a little leeway if an EICR to one AMMD or the other say for instance AFDD & SPD scenario might avoid a conflict. It could work either way perhaps with a little crafty planning if the Rental Law says to Edition X or Edition X AMMD Y for example and the inspector decides he uses the "current edition" then whichever "current" Edition is used in the EICR could put a certain installation in a more favourable or less favourable light when viewed by a jobsworth type at the council/insurance co/rental agent - I have heard some sensible techspeak from some of those individuals in these organisations over many years but also some absolute dribble of complete illogical misunderstanding of some issues too.

  • So, in the overlap interval, an EICR (or EIC) could be conducted to either of the two current versions?

    If the contract for the EICR is agreed a short time before the next version of the standard is published, the cut-over timescale would not be public knowledge. And if the EICR were to be carried out within a day or two of the newer version being published, the Inspector would not have had time to digest the changes for the new standard.

    It is therefore logical, and arguably cases where it is necessary, for there two be a period where two versions of a standard are considered to be 'current'.

  • I was thinking it might allow a little leeway

    I suspect it's just going to be a lot of lawyer fodder at every level.

    Firstly it depends (contract) on what the landlord actually asked for - 'just an EICR' or 'a report to show that my installation complies with the requirements of the Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector legislation'.

    Then if someone said satisfactory to say a socket 2.5m from a bath and then someone dropped a hairdryer with a 3m lead into the water and came a cropper, I bet someone in a wig would suggest that had the landlord complies with the actual requirements the dreadful incident would never have happened...

       - Andy.

  • well 2.5m would comply with the latest regs of course, but not the 2018 copy- I presume you chose that example deliberately... are we saying somehow that  the newer regs more dangerous? No of course not - much of the rest of the 230v world uses 60cm...

  • Hi  and  David, your post was moved out of the Wiring Regs category to our dedicated discussion category for questions related to using EngX  as it wasn't a question or a discussion related to BS7671. I'm going to guess that you've switched off your notifications from EngX as you would have received an alert to let you know that I had replied to your post asking you for some further information Slight smile. You should also have received an alert to let you know that your post had been moved and where it had been moved to. 

    Rather than take the OP's topic completely off topic, may I please ask that if anyone experiences any technical issues with using the software, please either PM me (visit my profile by clicking on my name above) then select 'connect' and 'send a private message) or post a question in the Using EngX category where we can pick it up rather than derail the individual discussion topics. Thumbsup

  • Bathtime convenience appliances....