DNO Residential Supply Main Cutout Fuses and Potential Fault Current (PFC)

There seems to be a lot of emphasis on recording the highest value of PFC being less than the protective devises can safely handle, but little or no reference to when the pfc might be too low to operate the device in the prescribed time. In fact, most installation and inspection certificates simple note the device manufacturers maximum safe fault current, giving the electrician an excuse perhaps to not even measure the pfc!

I’m long retired but investigating a potentially serious electrical fire for a friend, though fortunately, this time, no fatalities as it was confined to a detached intake cabinet well away from the building. Which brings me to another point, the ESQC Regulations stress reporting an incident to the Secretary of State if any fatalities, but no such requirement if none (this time!). Sadly, a missed opportunity perhaps to reduce the risk of similar failures causing fatalities in future.

Anyway, for now, back to the pfc issue: In their case they had very recently had a 3 phase upgrade to their large property, with DNO 100amp cutout fuses (BS1361 or similar). The supply service cable serves several properties, with theirs being near the end of the supply service cable. Both the calculated pfc and measured value indicate around half the pfc required to operate the cutout fuses in the prescribed time, and in the event, persisted in the fault mode (apparently faulty meter or loose meter connection) for perhaps in excess of 15 minutes, further aiding the developing fire. Currently, their loads are all single phase and shared across the 3 phases, with ample capacity for future load additions.

So 2 questions if I may, one around the related ESQC regulations notification issue, and one about no obvious provision for recording a measured value of pfc on certificates, and no obvious requirement on the certificate to act accordingly when the measured pfc is too low.

  • , though at this stage, I'm not convinced that they removed an earth rod, installed when they moved to PME.

    BS 7671 now recommends an earth electrode is connected to MET in TN systems

  • isolator in the reg's as distribution board was around 10 metres away,  ie, over 3 metres, though I've yet to double check BS7671 on this as personally, I'm happy with just the company isolator.

    This is correct, combination of BS 7671 limit on omission of overcurrent protection, and DNO's rules.

    Because the DNO cutout does not belong to the consumer, there is a limit as to what it can be used for.

  • Thanks for that. and I presume that also connected to neutral too as appeared to be the case in the open trench? Time this "OldBoy" read the reg's again as my involvement mostly stopped at 17th edition! Retired now 15 years, and whilst specialist areas were controls and drives, out of interest, I did take the 2391 exam soon after retirement.

  • Thanks again, I really must put the latest BS7671 on my reading list!

  • My apologies concerning the two sets of fuses in series - I had forgotten that there was a significant run to the house, so even tthough it would be a race to see which fuse goes first, the switch-fuse is necessary.

    My point was hat the isolator is the consumer's tails is not, but if it was put there first, so be it.

  • Thanks Chris, and as for your other point, "Why has the armour of the SWA been reinforced with the green and yellow please?", sorry, I can't yet answer that one, but a good point.

  • Why has the armour of the SWA been reinforced with the green and yellow please?

    What's the copper c.s.a. equivalent of the armour? and how does it compare with PME bonding requirements? (presuming there may be extraneous-conductive-parts in the main building.) (JP did do a nice table once, but I can't seem to lay my hands on it now...)

       - Andy.

  • Sorry Andy, I can't answer that one as I've only been on site for about an hour, my last involvement being around 4 years ago when  I flagged out the supply voltage low limit being breach. I'm planning another visit once they get responses from the DNO and meter. owner. 

  • My recollection is that standard SWA is fine up to a good bit over 25 mm¹ conductors. OK, the armour is steel, but when you add it up, it is quite a high CSA.

    Manufacturers' web sites should give the details.

    I can understand adding G/Y in conduit, where it is as safe and secure as the live conductors, but laying some G/Y in a trench seems less than ideal. Both may be unnecessary in the strict sense.

  • That is a very interesting letter Mike, do you know the date.  Before privatisation many Electricity Boards including as least part of UKPN had a policy to provide an earth terminal even though this was not a statutory requirement.  This sometimes meant that supplies were converted to PME to achieve this along with necessary upgrades to customers installaions.  I dont think this letter is compatible with this situation unless the DNO had notified the customer that it could no longer rely on the earth terminal provided.  Having provided the terminal under conditions / circumstances where it could be relied on it seems quite unreasonable to disclaim responsibility when something goes wrong!  

    typos edited