The car park

"The UK is seeing a large move towards EV (Electric Vehicles) from traditional ICE (Internal Combustion Engine)"

if that is Battery EV, then please ... i hope not   (for various reasons)   as then all the 'solutions' needed for it just go away and sanity (at least for me)  returns.  :-)

The plan of course is for no brand new petrol and diesel cars to be sold in the UK after 2030, and that may well occur.

This article shows the trends with some nice graphs. 

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/choosing/road-to-electric/ 

This graph below is pretty good, overall sales of new cars are declining, but the fraction of new cars that are some kind of EV, is very much on the rise.

Bear in mind however that there are some 35 million roadworthy cars in the UK in total, and the average petrol car is just over ten years old, and the average Diesel a few months younger. ( www.racfoundation.org/motoring-faqs/mobility#a9 ) so unlesss there is a step change, then up to perhaps 2050 there will still be a lot of internal combustion engines on the road. 

Mike.

The only non battery EV I can think of is hydrogen fuel cell. But that has been tried and failed commercially. Hydrogen is more expensive than mains electricity.

of course 'hydrogen' has 'failed' ... by determination  ;-)

and none of the green zealotry 'solutions' are by real democratic, or real free market, choice (whatever that means to each) ...  it doesn't matter whether one supports something or does not, it should matter to all more how one gets to a  point and crucially in that, that a free market and choice exists along with no government  (haha never likely) coercion (interference) etc   

what's going on in England/UK (on this 'green' related subject and many others) does not represent me (and millions like); so things are getting tasty.   But this is a discussion about Wiring Regs and so I withdraw.

as i said, opinions are fun. 

love you all.

of course 'hydrogen' has 'failed' ... by determination  ;-)

and none of the green zealotry 'solutions' are by real democratic, or real free market, choice (whatever that means to each) ...  it doesn't matter whether one supports something or does not, it should matter to all more how one gets to a  point and crucially in that, that a free market and choice exists along with no government  (haha never likely) coercion (interference) etc   

what's going on in England/UK (on this 'green' related subject and many others) does not represent me (and millions like); so things are getting tasty.   But this is a discussion about Wiring Regs and so I withdraw.

as i said, opinions are fun. 

love you all.

Fundamentally, even if like Mr Trump you dont worry about climate change,  our nearly free North Sea Oil and gas that made the UK very  rich in the 1980s, comapred to places without,  is gently running out, and we now import, at first in winter only, and now more and more of it, and all year round. This will not be economically sustainable, and many of those foreign reserves are also running down or unavailable for geopolitics regions so as well as needing more, the prices will rise.

You may disagree with the detail and implementation  but the overarching facts are cold. 

We may have made a fundamental error by charging for windpower at the gas rate.

Mike. 

I stand by the core of what I said. It is fundamental - at least to me.

The energy industry and other linked aspects is in a right old [corrupted] mess, I'll agree with that statement.

As an aside,  be reminded that  many a clever and intelligent peoples were fooled by what went on during 'covid', believing in what government experts and 'science' told them to believe.  Intelligent and 'expert'  people are not immune from the negative human conditions. Much corruption has taken place, but the full truth will never be told or admitted. Many have paid a heavy price along the way... and it isn't just down to gross incompetence.

To cope, it seems that many people tend to try compartmentalise things and refuse to hook things together into a bigger picture, as it's easier that way to get through things and justify etc. Righteous headlines help too, but the devil is in the obfuscated detail. 

Sounds conspiratorial doesn't it  :-)  Oh well.

It is a very complex and vested interest society and that affords all sorts of machinations... sadly ego, greed and desire for control, influences much  (as it always has perhaps).

Best I really leave it there.   :-)

Respect.

psychicwarrior said:

or real free market,

Paying insurance, to be later denied, for a life saving social good, is the free market way. 

Most of the 'free market' assumptions depend on the enforcement (if necessary my force) of the 'free world' values. Venezuelan oil facilities come to mind in terms of arguments about who exploits who.

psychicwarrior said:

during 'covid',

We are moving way off-topic, however.. One aspect not commonly considered for 'the covid' is the local population densities and how that affects the population dynamics, along with the local 'bottleneck' issues.

'covid' was the sudden appearance of a new virus that attacked local societies. It required a military style decision/response process (i.e. difficult decisions in difficult scenarios with limited information). The bottlenecks were either social healthcare, or wide open spaces. It definitely failed all the 'free market' informed individual requirements.

A rash of headlines isn't a pandemic of car park fires.

we cant go any further on this 'covid'  issue as you say, 'way off topic' ... but I suspect we don't/didn't have the same view/insight or the same information/facts being used and that was/is a real problem   ;-)

all the best.