Micc or FP200 cable in chapels or churches ?

Hello, looking for an answer to who decides if a chapel / church needs to wired in MICC cable or will FP200 be adequate ? I appreciate it should be fire resistant and MICC is smaller and looks great if installed properly , but I cant find any guidance anywhere 

  • Usually down to the preferences of the particular denomination - I think the C-of-E for example had some national guidance. In practice a lot probably depends on the particular building - a 11th century structure with half a forest of exposed timber holding up the roof probably needs rather different consideration to a new build "Kingdom Hall" that you could probably treat more like modern office space. In the middle you have the victorian era builds that have undergone varying amounts of modern renovation.

      - Andy.

  • This is usually a matter of what can be granted as a dioscean faculty, and will depend on the age and materials of the building.

    https://electrical.theiet.org/media/1449/religious-buildings_interview.pdf maybe worth a read

    Mike,

  • I have modified and added to wiring in a  small listed C of E church and it was done in T&E. I do not think there is any particular rule and is probably dependent on the insurer and the significance of the building. I did quote for rewiring it in MICC  and replacing all the lighting but it was too expensive so it still has T&E, no fire alarm and oil fired heating 15 years later. The C of E have a department that look after their estate, you would have to ask the vicar about contact details. I was told, after I had completed the work, that I should not have been authorised to do the work as I was not registered with a particular trade organisation. 

    No idea about other denominations but would have expected them to all have an estates department.

  • Usually price is the deciding facter, MICC is very expensive to both buy and fit. A Company I worked for was rewiring the outside/garden lights for Shakespeares birthplace. We started with MICC, but it was taking so long to install that it was eventually changed to copper/gold coloured FP200, which was fitted in less than half the time, and looked as good. Probably nowhere near as durable or long lasting, but half the price.

  • Probably nowhere near as durable or long lasting

    The traditional bare MICC didn't always do that well in old churches - the often damp and sometimes alkaline conditions (e.g. where in contact with lime mortar) doesn't seem to do the bare copper sheath much good at all - never mind the unreliability of some the seals over time.

       - Andy. 

  • agree - there was plenty of green grot and lower than expected IR results and some quite scratchy earthing. When very wet the sheath sometimes splits, much like a failing kettle element.  I'd not expect FP to be immortal in that situation either though !

    However when well installed in a reasonably dry location, pyro is more or less indestructible.

    It was the cotton covered rubber flex to the old lamp-holders that usually let the side down first...

    Mike

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