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The Electrician & Trading Standards.

Mornin' All,

                    A potential customer has reported me to the Local Trading Standards Dept.


The local Trading Standards Officer has written to me stating that I need to provide a written leaflet to all of my customers about their "Right to Cancel."


Simply, I went to do an urgent repair and was not allowed to continue. I was asked to leave as it was getting late in the day. I did make some progress on the job and left things working that were not working before. I left without payment but later sent in an invoice for my lost time. That is when the customer contacted the Trading Standard Dept.


The trading Standards officer sent me various emailed documents about Rights to Cancel a Contract. He is not taking any action on this occasion as I have not been reported before.


This mater is covered by The Consumer Contracts (Information, cancellation & Additional Charges) Regulations 2013.


After having read through the document carefully I discovered a get out of jail clause. This applies.


"Contracts where the consumer has specifically requested the trader to call to carry out urgent repairs or maintenance" apply and there is NO RIGHT TO CANCEL.


There I rest my case.


Be warned, have you got a pile of the leaflets for your customers?


Bye.


Z.






  • I am glad I have retired.


    Fortunately I have never been caught like this and I have never informed a customer of their right to cancel. It only takes one awkward customer and you get caught up in a quagmire of administration and loss. Your customer obviously thought that they could get away without paying your invoice by reporting you. Chase them ruthlessly for every penny.  ?
  • Former Community Member
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    I’ve just fallen foul of “NO RIGHT TO CANCEL” buying from a LBM company.
  • have you considered a £40 callout fee including the first hour onsite?


    Andy
  • Former Community Member
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    Many emergency lock smiths , mechanics , plumbers now charge ‘upfront’ over the phone or on arrival to the job.


    BG take £60 upfront before they will even come out (unless you pay extra each month for free call out)


    the locksmith I used when I locked myself out at the old house charged me £200 on arrival regardless of if he got us in or not , we had to sign a 4 or 5 page contract covering him for things like not being responsible for any scratches or damage to the door etc


    i do hope you chase up your payment , non payment is one thing that really grinds my gears especially if you have done your best to help a customer

  • Sparkingchip:

    have you considered a £40 callout fee including the first hour onsite?


    Andy




    Hello Andy,

                         Oh yes I have indeed. I lost half a day whilst working at the customer's house and driving to the wholesalers to get specific stuff, plus some materials that they took without payment, and a return visit when they were deliberately out.


    A few letters and then a County Court Claim in the Small Claims Court I believe will be best, but there is only a 50/50 chance of winning these type of cases and it involves much lost time and paperwork, and expense. These sort of people are one in one thousand or less than one in a thousand for me. But I suppose that we should expect one every so often.


    Z.

  • The consumer cancellation rights are for jobs in excess of £42, if you turn up as requested to deal with an emergency for one hour they don’t have any right to refuse to pay.


    If the problem has not been resolved or it needs materials in excess of £2 to sort it out then you really need to be discussing the potential costs of the repair and putting pen to paper to get an agreement as to what to do next.


    The only time I have had a real issue was with a husband and wife who were both alcoholics, they were great people in the morning before they went to the pub for lunch, but after lunch they were absolutely foul people.


    They came back from the pub and started arguing about the position of a down light that could not go precisely where they wanted it because it meant cutting out the bottom chord of the roof truss above that point, I pointed out it would look silly there anyway as it would be three inches away from a ceiling mounted cooker hood above an island unit in the kitchen and suggested just leaving it out until the kitchen was finished and the hood was in place then deciding what to do. I received a message from the kitchen firm that were paying me that evening to say not to go back as they were getting their own electrician to go and finish my work off as I was “too argumentative”.


    I did get paid, had I not it would have been very tempting to ask the police to sit outside their house waiting for them to drive home from the pub after lunch one day, really I should have done that anyway out of public duty, but it could have caused serious problems for the kitchen firm.


    A few times over the years I have had serious discussions about what would get blokes working at people’s homes to phone the police and report them for something, one guy I worked for got a customer sent to prison after finding his porn collection in the loft of his house.


    There are some mad and bad customers out there!


    Andy 



  • dustydazzler:

    .... , we had to sign a 4 or 5 page contract....... 




    That is the thing, to comply with these regulations you really need to get a contract signed. It should be the 1st thing out of your "toolbox". Once everything has been agreed then you can get the screwdrivers out. I did set this up for my business, most of the customers viewed it with suspicion as they don't like to waive any of their rights. I have become a bit lax about it, but I really should start doing it again, especially for those small jobs where I don't know the customer. For the bigger jobs I always ask the customer for instruction to proceed (usually by email), even then some of them can be a bit dim about that.


  • dustydazzler:

    the locksmith I used when I locked myself out at the old house charged me £200 on arrival regardless of if he got us in or not , we had to sign a 4 or 5 page contract covering him for things like not being responsible for any scratches or damage to the door etc




    So my daughter got a bargain when she paid £150 to a locksmith last week?


    She wanted me to drive 1 hour each way with my key, but I wasn't available. Her mother suggested breaking a small window in the door - getting in a glazier the next day would presumably have been so much cheaper. Or an express courier would have been £70.


    Nice work if you can get it!

  • I signed up to it with local trading standards when it first came out, they got me on their safe trader scheme and sold me a book of blank contracts (at a reduced rate) to give to customers. The job starting rate was £35 then. I found that when I issued them to customers and asked `em to sign it some of them were taken aback, I could see them thinking "Oh he is a wide boy, gonna rip me off".

    Local TS did tell me of a (honest) trader who went thru proper procedure on a job getting it signed for a couple of hunderd quid and part way thru the customers asked him to do some equal value extra works therefore doubling the price. Naturally he did it but never bothered with all the signed stuff again. They were happy with the job but refused to pay ANY of it, they got TS involved and were pressing TS to prosecute the trader (TS were convinced the customers were trying it on and had probably set out from the start to rip this trader off), they had to warn the trader that if they could not coax the customer to drop their insistence then they might have to proecute the trader even though they were convinced of his honesty. I never did hear the outcome.
  • Former Community Member
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    Chris Pearson:




    dustydazzler:

    the locksmith I used when I locked myself out at the old house charged me £200 on arrival regardless of if he got us in or not , we had to sign a 4 or 5 page contract covering him for things like not being responsible for any scratches or damage to the door etc




    So my daughter got a bargain when she paid £150 to a locksmith last week?


    She wanted me to drive 1 hour each way with my key, but I wasn't available. Her mother suggested breaking a small window in the door - getting in a glazier the next day would presumably have been so much cheaper. Or an express courier would have been £70.


    Nice work if you can get it!


     




    IIRC (this was about 5 years ago


    It was £100 call out + £50 because it was weekend + £50 because it was after 5pm


    The guy wouldn't lift a finger until we signed the contract and we paid him upfront on arrival the full amount in cash 


    He did get us in thou with minimal damage