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Does This Comply?

Location: Loft.

Accessibility: Difficult.

Junction box made out of a double pattress and a blanking plate. All plastic.

Internal joints inaccessible.

Thoughts?

Z.

  • Why are the joints inside inaccessible? Is the lid glued on ?  If done well could be quite tidy actually. Once upon a time you could buy a boiler 'wiring centre' that was basically that with a strip of 15A  chock block fixed inside.

    I can imagine that for lights the neutrals and earths get a bit full and need duplication.

    Mike

  • 513.1 Each connection to be accessible, so if the lid does not come off, it is not compliant. Unless of course it is marked (MF) - 526.3(vi).

  • The internals are only accessible with the cover removed. Normally inaccessible to loft visitors. The cover is removeable by removing the screws.

    Z.

  • So it complies.

    If the JB was Not secured then that may be regarded as a non-compliance. depends on the traffic ...

  • I can recall an article by (IIRC) somebody from Wago in Professional Electrician 2 - 3 years ago about the interpretation of "accessible". If my memory is not failing completely, the article acknowledged that even under the floorboards was reasonably accessible. I tend to agree, but I hate tongue & groove boards.

    If the loft is inaccessible (and even if it is), the JB would normally fall outside an EICR.

  • It would comply if the box is screwed to something fixed and the cables were clipped.

  • There are many original brown circular junction boxes in the same loft dating from the late 50s/early 60s that are not fixed and have caused no problems at all despite being not "maintenance free". The cables are not clipped. Most are not visible as they are under two layers of thermal insulation. Why would a sparky waste time fixing junction boxes in a loft with limited access due to low headroom? The box above was installed to convert a one way switched kitchen light to a two way switched light. The original wiring was a "spider" system which is a mess.

    Z.

  • The box above was installed to convert a one way switched kitchen light to a two way switched light.

    You mean that you put it in?

  • I don't see a problem with the box itself although there is obviously nothing to stop the cables getting pulled out if somebody tripped over them as they aren't clipped properly and there won't be any cable clamps in there. 

    Gary

  • The box above was installed to convert a one way switched kitchen light to a two way switched light. The original wiring was a "spider" system which is a mess.

    Nothing wrong with 'spider' system otherwise known as the 'octopus' wiring system.

    My experience with kitchen and other open plan lighting on one circuit is often better fed from the octopus junction box method securely fixed to a wall or joist with easy access from the loft/ceiling hatch.