The car park

"The UK is seeing a large move towards EV (Electric Vehicles) from traditional ICE (Internal Combustion Engine)"

if that is Battery EV, then please ... i hope not   (for various reasons)   as then all the 'solutions' needed for it just go away and sanity (at least for me)  returns.  :-)

The only non battery EV I can think of is hydrogen fuel cell. But that has been tried and failed commercially. Hydrogen is more expensive than mains electricity.

of course 'hydrogen' has 'failed' ... by determination  ;-)

and none of the green zealotry 'solutions' are by real democratic, or real free market, choice (whatever that means to each) ...  it doesn't matter whether one supports something or does not, it should matter to all more how one gets to a  point and crucially in that, that a free market and choice exists along with no government  (haha never likely) coercion (interference) etc   

what's going on in England/UK (on this 'green' related subject and many others) does not represent me (and millions like); so things are getting tasty.   But this is a discussion about Wiring Regs and so I withdraw.

as i said, opinions are fun. 

love you all.

Fundamentally, even if like Mr Trump you dont worry about climate change,  our nearly free North Sea Oil and gas that made the UK very  rich in the 1980s, comapred to places without,  is gently running out, and we now import, at first in winter only, and now more and more of it, and all year round. This will not be economically sustainable, and many of those foreign reserves are also running down or unavailable for geopolitics regions so as well as needing more, the prices will rise.

You may disagree with the detail and implementation  but the overarching facts are cold. 

We may have made a fundamental error by charging for windpower at the gas rate.

Mike. 

mapj1 said:

The plan of course is for no brand new petrol and diesel cars to be sold in the UK after 2030, and that may well occur.

No pure ICE cars after 2030, but the current plan will permit hybrids until 2035.

I rather like Mercedes' approach - bring F1 technology to road vehicles. Add a 200 bhp motor and small but powerful battery to your 600 bhp ICE. That makes it accelerate faster, they can sell it for longer, it falls into a lower tax bracket, and apparently will use less fuel.

So, they now have 9 years to get the new F1 technology out there. Don't get me started on the, "50% of the power comes from the battery" nonsense, but the road to success would seem to be highly dependent upon harvesting every last joule in the braking zones.

I stand by the core of what I said. It is fundamental - at least to me.

The energy industry and other linked aspects is in a right old [corrupted] mess, I'll agree with that statement.

As an aside,  be reminded that  many a clever and intelligent peoples were fooled by what went on during 'covid', believing in what government experts and 'science' told them to believe.  Intelligent and 'expert'  people are not immune from the negative human conditions. Much corruption has taken place, but the full truth will never be told or admitted. Many have paid a heavy price along the way... and it isn't just down to gross incompetence.

To cope, it seems that many people tend to try compartmentalise things and refuse to hook things together into a bigger picture, as it's easier that way to get through things and justify etc. Righteous headlines help too, but the devil is in the obfuscated detail. 

Sounds conspiratorial doesn't it  :-)  Oh well.

It is a very complex and vested interest society and that affords all sorts of machinations... sadly ego, greed and desire for control, influences much  (as it always has perhaps).

Best I really leave it there.   :-)

Respect.

There was a theory that "Hydrogen" was promoted by the Oil & Gas lobby as mechanism for delaying the inevitable need for CO2 reduction by the O&G industry. While H2 has 'great' energy storage, it's terrible at most other aspects of engineering a working supply system, so ideal for engineering research efforts. 

It's a common trope across the wider climate denial industry to avoid mentioning the CO2 part, and suggest that some other single tech will never supply 100% of the energy (Nuclear powered scooters - no thanks; Hydro storage everywhere - not enough water; etc.)  5% H2 in the gas pipelines isn't a meaningful reduction in hydrocarbon usage.

If anything, we should have banned hydrocarbons (flames!) when the motor car was invented. Unfortunately all the lighting at the time was by gas mantles... (History is such a problem!)

psychicwarrior said:

or real free market,

Paying insurance, to be later denied, for a life saving social good, is the free market way. 

Most of the 'free market' assumptions depend on the enforcement (if necessary my force) of the 'free world' values. Venezuelan oil facilities come to mind in terms of arguments about who exploits who.

psychicwarrior said:

during 'covid',

We are moving way off-topic, however.. One aspect not commonly considered for 'the covid' is the local population densities and how that affects the population dynamics, along with the local 'bottleneck' issues.

'covid' was the sudden appearance of a new virus that attacked local societies. It required a military style decision/response process (i.e. difficult decisions in difficult scenarios with limited information). The bottlenecks were either social healthcare, or wide open spaces. It definitely failed all the 'free market' informed individual requirements.

A rash of headlines isn't a pandemic of car park fires.

lighting at the time was by gas mantles... (History is such a problem!)

More importantly, at the time of peak gas mantle, the gas was coal gas, and if your house was heated more than just the kitchen you lived in luxury, and the fuel of choice for almost everything in the UK was coal. 

(I can remember the coal fired chip shop in Filey, just about, and very clearly counting the bags as the coal man delivered so there was no chance to underdeliver. ) Lights were electric by then however, except on the railway stations for some reason.

At the point Keeling (of curve fame) was just starting to collect his CO2 data, coal was king and in the UK at least, the cheap north sea gas, and the central heating to burn it was still some way off in the future.

I like gas mantles in some situations however, they give a good light in a marquee or similar, and unlike a generator do not keep awake those on camp who wish to sleep.

Mike

mapj1 said:

if your house was heated more than just the kitchen you lived in luxury

That was only 'cos the range had been lit.

I also like gas lighting and remember it at my local station. There are still some rather rusty remains at home.

mapj1 said:

if your house was heated more than just the kitchen you lived in luxury

That was only 'cos the range had been lit.

I also like gas lighting and remember it at my local station. There are still some rather rusty remains at home.